Freshwater: Hearing documents released

You read all 180 pages? You are a greater person than I...

It’s disjointed, rambling, and on one reading looks like an attempt to fling all the crap Hamilton can find or make up at a wall in the hope that some will stick. There are (at least) two different conspiracy theories embedded in it along with vicious allegations of incompetence, malice, and lying on the part of any number of witnesses. And there is more than enough purple prose to frame the wall of crap twice over.

Sounds pretty much like the ICR suit to get accreditation for their "science" degree program. The court had considerable difficulty wading through all the religiostic and incoherent verbiage trying to figure out exactly what the problem was.

Maybe this is why sermons have long had the reputation as a chance to catch up on some sleep.

JLT said: Don't hold back. Tell us what you *really* think about it ;)

I used to visit Sam Stickle's website and at least presumed his impartiality at first, but the most recent post with the Kafka video really has me convinced he's gone completely off the rails. As much as I'd like to go there at a minimum to download the document, I don't want to give him the traffic. I'd rather wait and download it from the NCSE.

mrg said: "Let HE who has never ranted on PT ... be the first to cast a stone."

stevaroni said: Cool!!! It's been a long time since we've had a good stoning!

Let him who has never ranted on PT ... be the first to cast a stone.

I was just thinking, "This would be a good time for some Freshwater."

And here it is.

Thanks Richard. Amazing that you could get through the whole thing. I started reading it and quickly gave up. You have much more patience than I will ever have. Thanks again!

Random crap ... conspiracy theories ... purple prose ...

Waitaminnut!

Did R. Kelly Hamilton graduate from the same mail-order law "school" as Orly Taitz?

CMB said: Thanks Richard. Amazing that you could get through the whole thing. I started reading it and quickly gave up. You have much more patience than I will ever have. Thanks again!

I'm sorry, but I could only get through about a quarter of Freshwater's summary before, giving it the benefit of a doubt, before I concluded that it is not purple prose at all.

No, it's a lighter shade that I would call moron prose.

I would say it was written by Sarah Palin, but that would be giving idiot credit where idiot credit is not due.

Steve said: Random crap ... conspiracy theories ... purple prose ... Waitaminnut! Did R. Kelly Hamilton graduate from the same mail-order law "school" as Orly Taitz?

RBH said: Once through at as high a reading speed as I could manage given the turgid prose. I dread having to re-read it to write about it.

Page 67 of the Summary Brief mentions a "Wimhurst machine" (page 72 of the PDF file) - it's actually a "Wimshurst machine" - but that's a common mistake, so I don't read much into that.

But the document continues to discuss a "Tesla Coil" - which the Electro-Technic Products BD-10A High Frequency Generator is not. It generates a high voltage at a high frequency, and is a variation of the tesla coil.

The device "has an output of between 20,000 to 45,000 volts, at a frequency of approximately 500 kHz. When properly adjusted, when the electrode is held within ¼ to 1 in. (6 to 25 mm) from a metal object (or human skin - editorial comment), a spark will jump to the metal. Current output of the spark is about 1 mA." - from the device's operating instructions (I have a copy, and I sent a copy to Richard last February).

Everything in this case is about purpose, context1 and intent with an ultimate goal of answering the question set forth in the opening statement2 – “What makes sense?” versus “What does not make sense?”

Paul Burnett said: Page 67 of the Summary Brief mentions a "Wimhurst machine" (page 72 of the PDF file) - it's actually a "Wimshurst machine" - but that's a common mistake, so I don't read much into that. But the document continues to discuss a "Tesla Coil" - which the Electro-Technic Products BD-10A High Frequency Generator is not. It generates a high voltage at a high frequency, and is a variation of the tesla coil. The device "has an output of between 20,000 to 45,000 volts, at a frequency of approximately 500 kHz. When properly adjusted, when the electrode is held within ¼ to 1 in. (6 to 25 mm) from a metal object (or human skin - editorial comment), a spark will jump to the metal. Current output of the spark is about 1 mA." - from the device's operating instructions (I have a copy, and I sent a copy to Richard last February).

With a Tesla coil, it is possible to touch the very high voltage secondary without being electrocuted because of the skin effect. The high frequency currents flow on the surface of the skin rather than through the body where damage to the heart could occur. Furthermore, the muscles of the body are less sensitive to high frequencies than they are to dc or low-frequency ac. Even so, it is probably best not to allow anyone with a weak heart to come into contact with the high voltage. In fact, with large Tesla coils, the use of volunteers is not recommended. In some Tesla coil designs the primary has 60 Hz voltages present, and these could be lethal. A more serious danger is the possibility of burns to the skin, especially if the discharge strikes the skin directly. For this reason, the discharge should only be drawn to the body through a metal object which makes a large area of contact with the skin. If the discharge strikes an unsuspecting person, the result would surely be startling, and the recoil could cause injury.

Paul Burnett said: Page 67 of the Summary Brief mentions a "Wimhurst machine" (page 72 of the PDF file) - it's actually a "Wimshurst machine" - but that's a common mistake, so I don't read much into that. But the document continues to discuss a "Tesla Coil" - which the Electro-Technic Products BD-10A High Frequency Generator is not. It generates a high voltage at a high frequency, and is a variation of the tesla coil. The device "has an output of between 20,000 to 45,000 volts, at a frequency of approximately 500 kHz. When properly adjusted, when the electrode is held within ¼ to 1 in. (6 to 25 mm) from a metal object (or human skin - editorial comment), a spark will jump to the metal. Current output of the spark is about 1 mA." - from the device's operating instructions (I have a copy, and I sent a copy to Richard last February).

Most commercially available Wimshurst generators are designed so that a non-lethal amount of electrical energy is stored in the Leyden jars. However, a discharge to the body is surely painful, and might startle one into an accident. If significant additional capacitance is connected to the output of the Wimshurst generator, the hazard can increase substantially. The spark can also cause burns and ignite flammable or volatile materials nearby.

Rich Blinne said:

Paul Burnett said: Page 67 of the Summary Brief mentions a "Wimhurst machine" (page 72 of the PDF file) - it's actually a "Wimshurst machine" - but that's a common mistake, so I don't read much into that. But the document continues to discuss a "Tesla Coil" - which the Electro-Technic Products BD-10A High Frequency Generator is not. It generates a high voltage at a high frequency, and is a variation of the tesla coil. The device "has an output of between 20,000 to 45,000 volts, at a frequency of approximately 500 kHz. When properly adjusted, when the electrode is held within ¼ to 1 in. (6 to 25 mm) from a metal object (or human skin - editorial comment), a spark will jump to the metal. Current output of the spark is about 1 mA." - from the device's operating instructions (I have a copy, and I sent a copy to Richard last February).

I should have noted that this is a Wimshurst machine. Here's the section on Wimshurst machines: http://sprott.physics.wisc.edu/demobook/chapter4.htm

Most commercially available Wimshurst generators are designed so that a non-lethal amount of electrical energy is stored in the Leyden jars. However, a discharge to the body is surely painful, and might startle one into an accident. If significant additional capacitance is connected to the output of the Wimshurst generator, the hazard can increase substantially. The spark can also cause burns and ignite flammable or volatile materials nearby.

Right, so the socially active churches in the area made Freshwater endanger his students unnecessarily. That's his defense. They made him put the bible on his desk and they refused to let him remove it when he was ordered to do so by the administrators. They forced him to preach creationists falsehoods in place of presenting the science of evolution in science class. And they did all of this because they did not want him to be able to teach anymore. Got it.

One last thing. The web page I cited was written by Julien Clinton Sprott, Emeritus Professor of Physics from the University of Wisconsin. http://sprott.physics.wisc.edu/sprott.htm I don't know if the plaintiffs are looking for expert witnesses but this might be a good choice.

DaveL said: The opening lines of the brief:

(snip) “What makes sense?” versus “What does not make sense?”

Holy shit, he's going for the Chewbacca Defense!

See also: Idiot defense Twinkie defense King Kong defense Fear, uncertainty, and doubt Big Lie, a propaganda tactic whereby an absurd statement is made with such conviction that the listener accepts it to be true, because it is counter-intuitive for a normal person to make such an audacious statement without fear of being caught Non sequitur, a form of logical fallacy Reductio ad absurdum, disproof by an absurd conclusion Ignoratio elenchi aka Red herring, another form of logical fallacy Enthymeme for an analysis of Cochran's logic Price of eggs, an expression which is used to denote something which is unrelated to the current topic of discussion Reverse psychology

Paul Burnett said: The device "has an output of between 20,000 to 45,000 volts, ... Current output of the spark is about 1 mA."

stevaroni said:

Paul Burnett said: The device "has an output of between 20,000 to 45,000 volts, ... Current output of the spark is about 1 mA."

1 milliamp? That's a lot of power at 20Kv. At those voltages that's 20 to 45 watts. Even if that's a peak value and the RMS value is a fraction of that, that's still a large amount of energy being delivered through a very small point on the skin. No wonder it leaves a burn.

! SAFETY PRECAUTIONS.It is used in industrial applications for pinhole leak detection, and to ionize a gas inside a lamp, neon sign, vial or similar device to determine whether a good vacuum is being held inside the device. It is also used as a lamp starter, principally in printing industry. [sic] Only factory approved electrodes should be used. No other electrodes should be used with this device. Never touch or come in contact with the high voltage output of this device, nor with any device it is energizing. Since its output is 500 kHz, it radiates its energy for a short distance. It may interfere with sensitive electronic devices near by. If a user is wearing a pace maker or similar device, their physician should be contacted prior to using this device. The same should be said for women who are pregnant. Also, a small amount of ozone gas is generated as a by-product. Use in a well-ventilated area. [Emphasis mine]

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Paul Burnett said: Page 67 of the Summary Brief mentions a "Wimhurst machine" (page 72 of the PDF file) - it's actually a "Wimshurst machine" - but that's a common mistake, so I don't read much into that. But the document continues to discuss a "Tesla Coil" - which the Electro-Technic Products BD-10A High Frequency Generator is not. It generates a high voltage at a high frequency, and is a variation of the tesla coil. The device "has an output of between 20,000 to 45,000 volts, at a frequency of approximately 500 kHz. When properly adjusted, when the electrode is held within ¼ to 1 in. (6 to 25 mm) from a metal object (or human skin - editorial comment), a spark will jump to the metal. Current output of the spark is about 1 mA." - from the device's operating instructions (I have a copy, and I sent a copy to Richard last February).