Charles Pierce on Ham's Creation Museum.

FTR, it's "Creation Museum", not "Creationism Museum".

Anon said: FTR, it's "Creation Museum", not "Creationism Museum".

Anon said: FTR, it's "Creation Museum", not "Creationism Museum".

Patrons can indeed call the "museum" whatever they like. But besides the obvious benefit to getting the name right--details count--"Creation Museum" is much closer to the more apt "Cretin Museum".

Anon said: Patrons can indeed call the "museum" whatever they like. But besides the obvious benefit to getting the name right--details count--"Creation Museum" is much closer to the more apt "Cretin Museum".

The link for the video given goes to the front page of the website. It may make more sense to link to http://crooksandliars.com/david-neiwert/open-thread-3

He either misspoke or he thinks that Hovind's "museum" is in Pennsylvania instead of Florida.

Dave Luckett said:

Anon said: FTR, it's "Creation Museum", not "Creationism Museum".

With respect, its proprietors can call it what they like. The very name they give it is a lie. It's neither about creation in the usual sense, that is, metaphorically the whole of the natural world outside the works of humans, nor is it a museum. A museum is a place of learning, an enlightenment. This is the opposite. It's a place of superstition, ignorance and darkness, designed and built to spread lies about nature that accord with the irrational ideas of a political and religious cult. I don't see any reason why we should fall in with their nomenclature. Call it what it is. It's an animatronic lie, an untruth in concrete, ignorance enclosed in walls.

I prefer to use the term "anti-museum" as popularized by the NCSE

I've been partial to the various tags like "Creation Theme Park" it's been receiving lately.

"Come to Ken Ham's Creation Theme Park! Ride the triceratops! Run in fear from the terrifying image we present of non-Christians! Visit the freak show to see Ken Ham, actual proof that prehistoric people still walk the Earth according to god's plan! Come one, come all!"

Really, Ham is just a latter-day P.T. Barnum. He's certainly rounded up the suckers...

I prefer the more accurate Creation Theme Park as well. That is what it is. Ham would be well advised to go upscale. Got to have rides, a bar, nightclub, sound and light show, and of course a casino.

The casino would really rake in the money. I doubt fundies are any better at gambling than anything else they do.

I notice a general trend of extremists to define terms to suit their purpose, which includes making them sound more mainstream than they really are.

I call it a crackhouse because that's what it really is. A crackhouse that sells drugs and dope in form of young earth lies, ignorance, hatred, and idiocy.

raven said: I prefer the more accurate Creation Theme Park as well. That is what it is. Ham would be well advised to go upscale. Got to have rides, a bar, nightclub, sound and light show, and of course a casino...

Who was it that termed the phrase "horseshit" to describe Ham's museum ? That's the one I like.

Still, the sad thing is Ham's still packing em' in. Is there any way we can arrange for PZ to be the 1,000,000th visitor ? Now that would cause Ham some embarrassment, I reckon.

raven said:

I notice a general trend of extremists to define terms to suit their purpose, which includes making them sound more mainstream than they really are.

Yes. George Orwell had names for this. Doublespeak and thoughtcrime. Evolution=atheism Democrat=atheist Science=atheism Universal Health Care=atheist or communist Enlightenment=atheism secular=atheism Separation of church and state=Xian persecution Democracy=fascism museum=theme park creationism=science zygotes=preborn people=predead cars=pre-scrap metal food=presewage This is a continual process of mangling the English language for their own ends.

I read the excerpt from the book on Amazon-- it was hysterical! I will add it to my list of must-reads. I really loved the part about the saddled dinosaur. Since saddles are made out of leather, I guess they had to ride bareback before the Fall. I do have a question for Mr Ham-- just how trainable would a dino be?

Crazyharp81602 said: crackhouse

I'm reading Idiot America right now and it's a Laff Riot. Every page. Pierce is one funny guy, funny "ha ha" unlike Ham-bo who is funny "peculiar."

Know what I mean, Vern?

I do have a question for Mr Ham– just how trainable would a dino be?

Training a Tyrannosaurus is a cinch. Just toss him a coconut whenever he displays some behavior you want to encourage.

This article ("Vast oceans lay[lie?] beneath surface of the Earth") from the UK's right-leaning paper "The Daily Telegraph" - http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/earthnews/6057382/Vast-oceans-lay-beneath-surface-of-the-Earth.html - is likely to excite the creationists.

See Genesis 7:11:
"In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second
month, the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the
fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were
opened."

Of course, it has been known for some time that oceanic water gets transported down under the continents at subduction zones (where one tectonic plate dips below another) - in fact, I gather that measuring variations in oxygen isotope ratios in the steam that comes out of volcanoes provides a means to time how long the water takes to travel under the continents. But oceans under the continents? Seriously?

But oceans under the continents? Seriously?

a lurker said: He either misspoke or he thinks that Hovind's "museum" is in Pennsylvania instead of Florida.

Ron Okimoto said:

a lurker said: He either misspoke or he thinks that Hovind's "museum" is in Pennsylvania instead of Florida.

That was my impression, but there may be more of these creationist theme parks than I've heard about. The ICR used to have a museum in California and they may be replicating it in Texas.