Disco 'Tute gets into censorship

No real surprise that they'd stoop to underhanded(and incomptent) tactics. They out to look up Streisand Effect on wikipedia sometime, the video's now been mirrored dozens of times on youtube and now even MORE people are going to be introduced to the great work of DonExodus2 and have the opportunity to browse through his archives(which have repeatedly shown flaws in Intelligent Design/Creationism, how evolution makes sense and works, and how really interesting science can be!)

It's just more of the same regular facepalming stupidity from the DI.

I hope DonExodus2 has the time/money/etc to take the DI to task legally over this, and that if any of you reading this article haven't heard of him, give DonExodus2 a glance on Youtube :)

It is about time the DI got a public slapping down for crass stupidity...
Should happen more in the media...but seeing as the media in turn are in thrall of creationist moles in the management...or at least pink fluffy xian clones... then the only open debate must be on t'intertubes!

They might have well opened a pandora's box here and run the risk of getting severely burnt in the backfire they will live to regret the stupidity..let us hope so...cos they have been cruising for a bruising for years!

They will find it not quite as easy to patrol and control the highways and byways of t'intertubes cos that media is nowhere near as simple as putting the frighteners on the regular media!

I thought about registering the URL UncommonlyDense.com and linking it to Uncommon Descent, and then perhaps WeLieForJebus.com and linking to the DiscoTute. But I thought I might get sued :(

Just love the infantile commentary here.

Disco'tute? What a hoot! Yep. We had to learn how to disco dance just to keep up with all the rigourous science coming outta the panda's ar..thumb.

Xian? Did you know that it is a city in China? Didn't think so. Ya gotta wait till college to learn that.

BTW, Does pronouncing the word Christian hurt or sumptin?

Wonder how ID's 'density' compares to adaptation being mistaken for evolution.

"Xian? Did you know that it is a city in China? Didn’t think so. Ya gotta wait till college to learn that."

Obviously someone that never heard of 'Xmas'...it is a shortening of 'Christian' for sure although that does not mean it is either disrespectful or insulting.

What is your real problem with the term...trying to find something to claim intolerance or discrimination against good 'xian' folks are we...it has been in the English language since before you were 'created'!

...never mind maybe you will grow out of it or actually grow up...that in itself would be a result.

"Wonder how ID’s ‘density’ compares to adaptation being mistaken for evolution."
Evidence for this particular whine please?

Steve.P, thank you for your contribution on this interesting topic. Please show as much critical analysis of the Intelligent Design community as you do towards flippant comments made about an institution that stands up for 'honest christian values' and lies and deceives as often as possible!

Have a great Day ! :)

Steve P. said: Disco'tute? What a hoot!

Steve P. said: Just love the infantile commentary here. Disco'tute? What a hoot! Yep. We had to learn how to disco dance just to keep up with all the rigourous science coming outta the panda's ar..thumb.

Steve P. said: Wonder how ID's 'density' compares to adaptation being mistaken for evolution.

So how come Steve P has no comment about the fact that the Discovery Institute is engaging in illegal censorship by making a copyright claim on footage that they have no legal copyright for?

Nnoel said: Steve.P, thank you for your contribution on this interesting topic. Please show as much critical analysis of the Intelligent Design community as you do towards flippant comments made about an institution that stands up for 'honest christian values' and lies and deceives as often as possible! Have a great Day ! :)

Steve P. said: Just love the infantile commentary here.

I have been saying for years that the Dishonesty Institute is a crypto-Fascist organization. Their latest act of intimidation against this YouTube blogger merely confirms my sad, but quite true, assessment. However, since this episode is relatively speaking, minor (It doesn't quite compare to Bill Dembski's gleeful boasting as to how he had stolen the XVIVO-produced Harvard University cell animation video a year and a half ago, and sadly, that's one crime which he was never prosecuted for.).

We should note how Steve P, when his "questions" are answered, as on the "Transitionals, Transitionals" thread, ignores the response and runs away to soil another thread instead. A true intellectual coward.

John Kwok said: I have been saying for years that the Dishonesty Institute is a crypto-Fascist organization. Their latest act of intimidation against this YouTube blogger merely confirms my sad, but quite true, assessment. However, since this episode is relatively speaking, minor (It doesn't quite compare to Bill Dembski's gleeful boasting as to how he had stolen the XVIVO-produced Harvard University cell animation video a year and a half ago, and sadly, that's one crime which he was never prosecuted for.).

Steve P. said: Xian? Did you know that it is a city in China? Didn't think so. Ya gotta wait till college to learn that. BTW, Does pronouncing the word Christian hurt or sumptin?

I'd be happier if the X had a cute little rho nestled in the middle, but I realize that is difficult while typing.

Steve P. said: Just love the infantile commentary here. Disco'tute? What a hoot! Yep. We had to learn how to disco dance just to keep up with all the rigourous science coming outta the panda's ar..thumb. Xian? Did you know that it is a city in China? Didn't think so. Ya gotta wait till college to learn that. BTW, Does pronouncing the word Christian hurt or sumptin? Wonder how ID's 'density' compares to adaptation being mistaken for evolution.

He's being a concern troll, guys. Like novparl. I recommend DNFTT, at least until he says something substantive about DI's claim of copyright infringement.

I work with someone from that fine city in China. And it's Xi'an, not Xian. Alternate spelling is Sian (among other archaic transliterations).

Oh, look! From Wikipedia: "Xian, an alternative spelling of Christian."

Infantile? No, funny. Learn the difference!

There is documentation for the Disco 'Tute has lied.

The most fascinating anomaly about the name "Discovery Institute" is that its members have never discovered anything the slightest bit interesting. Have its members, associates, or assorted hangers on ever used their resources to conduct a genographic study or fund a dig yielding a cool new fossil? Have they synthesized any new vaccines or found a way to increase crop yields in third world countries? Is there a Discovery Institute team at CERN mining for nuggets of data about sub-atomic particles? Surely they have a team deployed to Greenland or the poles drilling for ice cores to expand our knowledge of the planet's historical climate!

I only wish I knew what the discovery in Discovery Institute is supposed to mean.

The most fascinating anomaly about the name “Discovery Institute” is that its members have never discovered anything the slightest bit interesting...I only wish I knew what the discovery in Discovery Institute is supposed to mean.

FastEddie said: I only wish I knew what the discovery in Discovery Institute is supposed to mean.

FastEddie said: The most fascinating anomaly about the name "Discovery Institute" is that its members have never discovered anything the slightest bit interesting. Have its members, associates, or assorted hangers on ever used their resources to conduct a genographic study or fund a dig yielding a cool new fossil? Have they synthesized any new vaccines or found a way to increase crop yields in third world countries?

Steven P lying xian Death Cultist: Wonder how ID’s ‘density’ compares to adaptation being mistaken for evolution.

Has anyone talked to the Electronic Frontier Foundation about this?

Filing a false DMCA takedown notice leaves you wide open for both criminal and civil liabilities.

I find this kind of behavior especially stupid when it comes from the people who shamelessly flaunted their rip-off of Harvard's expensive CGI animation for their own propaganda. Does it get any dumber? Perhaps, like falsely accusing someone of promoting genocide because he gave an informative talk on pandemics.

TomS said:

Steve P. said: Xian? Did you know that it is a city in China? Didn't think so. Ya gotta wait till college to learn that. BTW, Does pronouncing the word Christian hurt or sumptin?

Use of X, the Greek letter chi, for "Christ" is an ancient Christian practice.

Wheels said: Filing a false DMCA takedown notice leaves you wide open for both criminal and civil liabilities.

It will be really big news if the Discovery Institute ever does anything to demonstrate that they have some integrity.

If they can trace it to the Discovery Institute is the organization responsible or can they give up a sacrificial perp.

Steve P. said: Just love the infantile commentary here. Disco'tute? What a hoot! Yep. We had to learn how to disco dance just to keep up with all the rigourous science coming outta the panda's ar..thumb. Xian? Did you know that it is a city in China? Didn't think so. Ya gotta wait till college to learn that. BTW, Does pronouncing the word Christian hurt or sumptin? Wonder how ID's 'density' compares to adaptation being mistaken for evolution.

Would it make any difference to the use of "Xian" if it could be shown that, notwithstanding etymology, it is currently seen by some or many Christians as a contraction that is meant to convey disrespect or scorn for their religion?

Dave, do you use "African-American" all the time would you insist that people not use the term "Black"? What about other racial groups. Do they get to choose? What about Protestants who object to the term "Protestant" because it implies that they are protesting something when they claim that they are in fact returning to the roots of the original Church? What about Theravada Buddhists who object to the term Theravada? What about Jews who don't like referring to their texts as the Old Testament since it implies the existence of a new one? (There's actually a minimally ok argument here in that Tanach is organized differently and the texts included are slightly different from the Old Testament but the point remains).

If one does all of these, then it might make sense to try to avoid writing Xian for Christian. But even then, it wouldn't make that much sense. At least in all the above there's some real history of the terms being used negatively or an actual doctrinal point being made. In the case of Xian, it is simple ignorance.

Joshua Zelinsky said: Dave, do you use "African-American" all the time would you insist that people not use the term "Black"?

Henceforth I demand to be referred to as a "Euro-Canadian".

Joshua Zelinsky said: Dave, do you use "African-American" all the time would you insist that people not use the term "Black"?

If one does all of these, then it might make sense to try to avoid writing Xian for Christian. But even then, it wouldn't make that much sense. At least in all the above there's some real history of the terms being used negatively or an actual doctrinal point being made. In the case of Xian, it is simple ignorance.

fnxtr said: Henceforth I demand to be referred to as a "Euro-Canadian".

Potential Trouble - newly registered users go on this list at least for their first comment and if you are an ID-critic you’ll probably stay on it. Anyone from the trusted list who has gone astray also ends up here. People on this list must have all their comments approved by an editor before they show up on the blog. Theism and Atheism - We don’t discourage discussion of the implications ID or evolutionary theories have on religious or irreligious beliefs. We do discourage preaching–proselytizing for a particular faith or attacking one. This includes atheistic faith.

The second thing to remember is that we don’t have the time or inclination to get into debates over our editing decisions. Nagging us about a comment that didn’t get approved is only going to make us even less likely to approve your future comments.

Steve.P. please come back, where have you slouched off to?
I make comments at UD sometimes, but alas, no longer; banned I think, though no one will tell me, and I can still log on, although my comments never get posted; I don't feel wronged however.I can't even say why I'm banned, very many anti-UD posters there are far,far, smarter, more terse, less pleasant, more confrontational, less patient than me, yet I'm whammied, try to understand that confusing situation? I can't.
Steve.P. come back and rant some more, utter hypocrisy in its most undiluted form is envigorating for us repellently honest atheists (not speaking for everyone).

Since blatant act of DI censorship is relatively speaking, a minor one, I don't think anyone should think seriously of devoting ample personal, financial or legal resources to it (My apologies in advance to the YouTube blogger, but, as I noted beforehand, the injustice done to you pales in comparison to what Bill Dembski has gotten away with in his theft of the Harvard University cell animation video.

The problem might be a little more serious. The author of a DMCAed video risks being "expelled" from YouTube if it happens again, and other users will get discouraged of publishing videos exposing the lies of the Discovery Institute.

Sorry, I meant to quote John Kwok but did not manage to use the block quote feature. I hope it has become clear that the first paragraph is from John Kwok.

‘Course, it’s consistent with the no-comments policy on their site and the modding policies on Uncommon Descent. I once mis-stated that as Uncommon Dissent, which more and more I think is the appropriate title.

— Richard B. Hoppe

Frank J said:

‘Course, it’s consistent with the no-comments policy on their site and the modding policies on Uncommon Descent. I once mis-stated that as Uncommon Dissent, which more and more I think is the appropriate title.

— Richard B. Hoppe

As you know Dembski co-authored a book titled "Uncommon Dissent," so it's an easy mistake. The title "Uncommon Descent" is itself an irony, because the only DI folk who have taken a clear position, have plainly conceded common descent. And the DI folk ones who appear to deny it have never challenged them on it. You might recall DaveScot who made a passioned plea a few years back for the DI to just come out and admit CD. He was banned from UcD last March, but for a reason entirely unrelated to his Behe-esque straying from the DI's "don't ask, don't tell" policy. Anyway, I hope this episode finally gets critics of ID/creationism to go on offense on the "censorship" issue. When anti-evolution activists claim that "Darwinists" "censor" them by keeping their propaganda - which would be thoroughly misleading an inappropriate for science class even without the religion issue - it is not enough to answer "we are not censoring anything and here's why..." We must show unequivocally which side is really advocating censorship. So please everyone, do not go back on "defense" when this issue dies down.

Dave Luckett said: Would it make any difference to the use of "Xian" if it could be shown that, notwithstanding etymology, it is currently seen by some or many Christians as a contraction that is meant to convey disrespect or scorn for their religion?

RDK said: Let's not forget the fact that literally every single video on Youtube promoting or discussing Intelligent Design in a positive manner has a disabled comment box and doesn't allow ratings. Viva la free speech!

Cell Biology provides many extraordinary examples of intelligent design. Inside each and every organism reside biomechanical systems that Darwin and his contemporaries could never have imagined. Even today, much of what is happening inside cells is still not understood, and yet evolutionists hold fast to a belief that these remarkable constructs developed without God. These two contrasting views of the cell provide poignant illustration of how worldviews impact our interpretation of physical evidence. In his presentation, Chris Ashcraft will discuss the cell as it relates to these opposing views and describe some important cellular features, which offer testimony to the glory of the Creator.. Christopher Wayne Ashcraft is a creation scientist, speaker, and educator. He obtained the Bachelor of Science in biology from Wayland Baptist University in 1989, a Master of Science in biology from Texas Tech University in 1996, and a Master of Education from the University of Washington in 2008. He was a research technician for 12 years specialized in plant tissue culture and genetic transformation technology. He is currently a high school science teacher at North Sound Christian School where he teaches Biology, Chemistry, and Creation Apologetics.

Henceforth I demand to be referred to as a “Euro-Canadian”.

I viewed the original video a couple of times and something became quite apparent to me. I don't know if anyone else picked up on it.

Did you notice how well scripted the show was? Commentator - question Q1, Luskin - pat answer #1. Commentator - Q2, Luskin - pat answer #2, etc. Each time Luskin had a prepared, pat answer with accompanying graphics. It was so well choreographed within the time alloted as well, hardly an ad lib interview. Fox News, along with the Dishonesty Institute, scripted this propaganda down to the minutest detail. I don't remember the commentator's name, but he was an accomplice too. Well done Fox!

If you care to slam it with comments and bad ratings, be my guest!

— Dale Husband

Dave Luckett said: Would it make any difference to the use of "Xian" if it could be shown that, notwithstanding etymology, it is currently seen by some or many Christians as a contraction that is meant to convey disrespect or scorn for their religion?

As for stooping low the Disco Tute is the Limbo King!

I spent some time around YouTube and on Google looking up info about DMCA claims and I don't have a link, just my feeble recollection, but I read that YouTube simply doesn't have the resources to evaluate every DMCA claim. Rather, they rely upon the defendant to raise attention to the false claim and seek relief.

Thus, the DI can file claim upon claim and if they're not opposed no harm to them.

Or am I missing something?

True, filing false DMCA claims is unscrupulous, but that's never stopped the DI before.

Doc Bill said: As for stooping low the Disco Tute is the Limbo King! I spent some time around YouTube and on Google looking up info about DMCA claims and I don't have a link, just my feeble recollection, but I read that YouTube simply doesn't have the resources to evaluate every DMCA claim. Rather, they rely upon the defendant to raise attention to the false claim and seek relief. Thus, the DI can file claim upon claim and if they're not opposed no harm to them. Or am I missing something? True, filing false DMCA claims is unscrupulous, but that's never stopped the DI before.

Steve P. said: Just love the infantile commentary here. Disco'tute? What a hoot! Yep. We had to learn how to disco dance just to keep up with all the rigourous science coming outta the panda's ar..thumb. Xian? Did you know that it is a city in China?

Steve P. said: Xian? Did you know that it is a city in China? Didn't think so. Ya gotta wait till college to learn that.

GCUGreyArea said: I thought about registering the URL UncommonlyDense.com and linking it to Uncommon Descent, and then perhaps WeLieForJebus.com and linking to the DiscoTute. But I thought I might get sued :(

The first portion of that suggestion was really hard to pass up, so I didn't.

If you're interested in that kind of thing, I did the same with "crackergate.com" a while back, but simply don't have time to maintain it.

shoot me an email there (it's on the bottom of the left sidebar), if you're interested in playing with it.

The first portion of that suggestion was really hard to pass up, so I didn’t.

Henry J said:

The first portion of that suggestion was really hard to pass up, so I didn’t.

But if you put anything in there on purpose, that would make it intelligently designed... Henry

Mr Sandefur, You described the posts that you deleted from the thread entitled "You knew it was coming, didn't you" as "non-substantive, pointless insults that do nothing but cause offense and disruption". I put it to you that the posts of mine that you deleted did not fit that description. I would appreciate your assurance that you did not mean to imply that they did. Naturally, that assurance should be given in the same open forum as the original statement was made. In the case of that assurance not being made, I will not be commenting on any thread controlled by you, even those few where you allow comments. It would be plain to me, in such a case, that your judgement is grossly faulty. Yours faithfully, Etc.

I really don't care. And I don't remember which comments I unpublished and which I didn't. I'm sure I took down some that were fine but I don't think the world will stop turning. $

Getting back on topic, the Casey Luskin video was sickening. Are they actually still harping on Haeckel's embryos??? I haven't looked at a high school biology text since, well, high school, but haven't they been updated with real photos of real embryos?

As for Casey himself, he projects an ignorance of biology that is palpable. I can't believe he actually has a Bachelor's in a science (geology). I hope I run into him in Seattle sometime so I can give him a proper intellectual beating...

Are they actually still harping on Haeckel’s embryos???

KP said: Getting back on topic, the Casey Luskin video was sickening. Are they actually still harping on Haeckel's embryos??? I haven't looked at a high school biology text since, well, high school, but haven't they been updated with real photos of real embryos? As for Casey himself, he projects an ignorance of biology that is palpable. I can't believe he actually has a Bachelor's in a science (geology). I hope I run into him in Seattle sometime so I can give him a proper intellectual beating...

John Kwok said: FYI, here's his official Disco Tute biography: "Casey has published in ...Geochemistry, Geophysics, and Geosystems... "He has also discussed the debate over evolution in numerous sources, including the journals Nature and Science..."

KP said: Are these confirmed? I don't have access to my trusty ISI Web of Knowledge search engine at home.

John Kwok said: ...A bunch of stuff, then: "Casey Luskin is an attorney with a B.S. and M.S. in Earth Sciences from the University of California, San Diego. ...A bunch more stuff

Keelyn said: From everything I have read from him, if he ever really understood what science was about, he abandoned it the moment each degree was granted. ... I have always thought that a Ph.D. is not what makes a scientist - investigation and research does ...Ph.D. (BS or MS) or notwithstanding.

KP said:

John Kwok said: FYI, here's his official Disco Tute biography: "Casey has published in ...Geochemistry, Geophysics, and Geosystems... "He has also discussed the debate over evolution in numerous sources, including the journals Nature and Science..."

Are these confirmed? I don't have access to my trusty ISI Web of Knowledge search engine at home.

Well, he doesn't show up in PubMed, which includes Science and Nature.

I guess the phrase "over evolution in numerous sources, including the journals Nature and Science" is describing "the debate", but not Luskin's discussion of it. Interesting use of language, kinda hack-lawyerish.

Replying to KP, Keelyn, and others:

For a previous PT discussion of Luskin's "qualifications", look here:

http://pandasthumb.org/archives/2008/01/casey-luskin-ab.html

GvlGeologist, FCD said: Replying to KP, Keelyn, and others: For a previous PT discussion of Luskin's "qualifications", look here: http://pandasthumb.org/archives/2008/01/casey-luskin-ab.html

“He has also discussed the debate over evolution in numerous sources, including the journals Nature and Science…”

That could mean just about anything from letters to the editor to News and Views to response to published articles. Most of that sort of thing probably wouldn't show up in PubMed because it wouldn't be a real peer reviewed article. Of course that won't stop the guy from claiming the prestige of publishing in Science and Nature. KInd of puts the spin of censorship a bit out of whack though.

Keelyn,

Thanks for your most thoughtful reply, which, I might add, is one that should be of interest to anyone else who takes ample delight in emphasizing their advanced degrees in the sciences, but are no longer associated with their respective field(s). For example, elsewhere online, I have had a rather bizarre dialogue with frequent PT poster SLC, who seems interested in reminding everyone that he has a Ph. D. degree in elementary particle physics, but apparently, according to him, hasn't worked in that field for decades (Just to see how current he is, I asked him if he was familiar with Harvard University physicist Lisa Randall's work, especially since her research probably overlaps with his graduate research, but he admitted that he never heard of. I found SLC's admission a bit surprising since I have kept some interest in paleobiology - even though I have been out of the field since the early 1990s - and know enough to know who some of the more important younger paleobiologists are.).

I also agree with KP's observation that he has seen those who don't have Ph. D.'s produce more publishable science than others who have as their terminal degrees, Ph. Ds.

Appreciatively yours,

John

John Kwok said: I also agree with KP's observation that he has seen those who don't have Ph. D.'s produce more publishable science than others who have as their terminal degrees, Ph. Ds.

Excellent points, Mike, which I should have noted too:

"There are also large numbers of researchers whose work does not appear in any published literature. Either the work is classified or is company proprietary and can be found only in documents for which on has the proper clearance."

"That doesn’t necessarily mean it is good work (secrecy can keep bad science from being properly vetted). But most of this work is, in fact, excellent work, well vetted by equally competent scientists. It’s just that we don’t see the direct results of this work until the clearance is lifted or we see it indirectly from the commercial spin-offs that occur many years after the research was done."

P. S. To clarify what I said in my most recent post, I thought it was quite odd that former particle physicist SLC had never heard of Lisa Randall (or even of her high school and college classmate, prominent string theorist Brian Greene).

John Kwok said: P. S. To clarify what I said in my most recent post, I thought it was quite odd that former particle physicist SLC had never heard of Lisa Randall (or even of her high school and college classmate, prominent string theorist Brian Greene).

The "narcissistic Disco boys" share one trait that is emblematic of all creationists (which was something I reminded SLC when he was bragging about his Ph. D. degree) - they like to brag that they have advanced degrees - often Ph. D.s - from leading institutions like Pennsylvania (when Behe earned his Ph. D. in biochemistry), Chicago (where Dembski earned his Ph. D. in mathematics) and Berkeley (where Wells earned his Ph. D. in biochemistry, or was it in molecular biology). I heard eminent vertebrate paleobiologist Donald Prothero observe - during a talk he gave here in New York City last January - that real scientists do not advertise their degrees to those who aren't scientists, but only creationists do (Moreover, Prothero remarked that, in private life, when he isn't working as a geologist and paleobiologist, he refers to be called "Mr. Prothero".).

John Kwok said: The "narcissistic Disco boys" share one trait that is emblematic of all creationists (which was something I reminded SLC when he was bragging about his Ph. D. degree) - they like to brag that they have advanced degrees - often Ph. D.s - from leading institutions like Pennsylvania (when Behe earned his Ph. D. in biochemistry), Chicago (where Dembski earned his Ph. D. in mathematics) and Berkeley (where Wells earned his Ph. D. in biochemistry, or was it in molecular biology). I heard eminent vertebrate paleobiologist Donald Prothero observe - during a talk he gave here in New York City last January - that real scientists do not advertise their degrees to those who aren't scientists, but only creationists do (Moreover, Prothero remarked that, in private life, when he isn't working as a geologist and paleobiologist, he refers to be called "Mr. Prothero".).

John, as a further clarification (one I know you'll appreciate), what irritates SLC (and a number of other posters, I'm sure) is that your style has more in common with the folks you (rightfully) denigrate the most, like the DI, rather than the folks on the side of science and reason.

Style, John. It's important. Endless repetition of phrases like "mendacious pornographers" eventually turns folks off. They stop reading your stuff, and the legitimate points you make just get ignored.

Have to say, I agree, RG.

John, you've got some good points, but name-dropping (fellow alumni and alma mater), and the constant repetition of catch-phrases which only you find clever, really detract from your message.

Just sayin'.

Rilke's Granddaughter -

Well you're not only the bigger chump, but you sound like a lot delusional twit LSS SLC. I was merely reminding Mike how the Disco Tute boys love touting their advanced degrees as though they were special "E Street" ticket in the hallowed halls of academia. And Mike was reminding me that there are many scientists working in private industry - who have signed confidentiality agreements with their employer - who produce excellent research (and don't have Ph. D's) - who have done excellent research worthy of recognition by their colleagues working in the open under formal scientific peer review procedures.

Your remaining comments are absolutely irrelevant and do not add anything to the ongoing discussion with respect to former "geologist" Casey Luskin.

Go back from wherever you were hiding, and join your fellow delusional trolls like SLC.

Respectfully yours,

John Kwok

P. S. I think Mike's surprise that SLC - who claims to be a former elementary particle physicist - has never heard of either Lisa Randall or Brian Greene is absolutely astounding for the very reason that Mike has pointed out. It is as if someone claimed to be a planetary scientist and had never heard of Carl Sagan or David Grinspoon, for example (Oh, I'm sorry, I just name dropped. I think I mentioned a college classmate of mine by mistake.).

fnxtr said: Have to say, I agree, RG. John, you've got some good points, but name-dropping (fellow alumni and alma mater), and the constant repetition of catch-phrases which only you find clever, really detract from your message. Just sayin'.

John Kwok said: Rilke's Granddaughter - Well you're not only the bigger chump, but you sound like a lot delusional twit LSS SLC.

I was merely reminding Mike how the Disco Tute boys love touting their advanced degrees as though they were special "E Street" ticket in the hallowed halls of academia. And Mike was reminding me that there are many scientists working in private industry - who have signed confidentiality agreements with their employer - who produce excellent research (and don't have Ph. D's) - who have done excellent research worthy of recognition by their colleagues working in the open under formal scientific peer review procedures.

Your remaining comments are absolutely irrelevant and do not add anything to the ongoing discussion with respect to former "geologist" Casey Luskin.

Go back from wherever you were hiding, and join your fellow delusional trolls like SLC.

Respectfully yours, John Kwok P. S. I think Mike's surprise that SLC - who claims to be a former elementary particle physicist - has never heard of either Lisa Randall or Brian Greene is absolutely astounding for the very reason that Mike has pointed out. It is as if someone claimed to be a planetary scientist and had never heard of Carl Sagan or David Grinspoon, for example (Oh, I'm sorry, I just name dropped. I think I mentioned a college classmate of mine by mistake.).

John Kwok said: And fnxtr, I don't do it nearly as much as she contends. Try SLC for some excellent examples of "name dropping":

fnxtr said: Have to say, I agree, RG. John, you've got some good points, but name-dropping (fellow alumni and alma mater), and the constant repetition of catch-phrases which only you find clever, really detract from your message. Just sayin'.

Was it a threat of a "likeness" suit?

I've moved a couple of comments to the Bathroom Wall. Let's keep the personal remarks down a dab, please. Thanks!

RBH said: I've moved a couple of comments to the Bathroom Wall. Let's keep the personal remarks down a dab, please. Thanks!

John Kwok said: If you're going to be consistent, RBH, then may I suggest removing those from Rilke's Granddaughter and Marion Delgado. My comments yesterday were meant primarily to offer some observations regarding Casey Luskin and his fellow Disco Tute "scholars", not to engage in personal attacks, period:

RBH said:

John Kwok said: If you're going to be consistent, RBH, then may I suggest removing those from Rilke's Granddaughter and Marion Delgado. My comments yesterday were meant primarily to offer some observations regarding Casey Luskin and his fellow Disco Tute "scholars", not to engage in personal attacks, period:

I'm not going back through the thread to prune it. I'm not very worried about consistency; I'm saying that it's enough now.

Oh, suck it up, John. It's over.

fnxtr said: Oh, suck it up, John. It's over.

I just noticed, the other day that Meyer, the leader of the bogus creationist anti-science efforts over at the Discovery Institute, has been demoted. He is only listed as being the director of the ID scam wing of the Discovery Institute. Was there some kind of announcement as to why he is no longer vice president of the Discovery Institute?

Ron Okimoto said: I just noticed, the other day that Meyer, the leader of the bogus creationist anti-science efforts over at the Discovery Institute, has been demoted. He is only listed as being the director of the ID scam wing of the Discovery Institute. Was there some kind of announcement as to why he is no longer vice president of the Discovery Institute?

Ron Okimoto said: I just noticed, the other day that Meyer, the leader of the bogus creationist anti-science efforts over at the Discovery Institute, has been demoted. He is only listed as being the director of the ID scam wing of the Discovery Institute. Was there some kind of announcement as to why he is no longer vice president of the Discovery Institute?

Frank J said:

Ron Okimoto said: I just noticed, the other day that Meyer, the leader of the bogus creationist anti-science efforts over at the Discovery Institute, has been demoted. He is only listed as being the director of the ID scam wing of the Discovery Institute. Was there some kind of announcement as to why he is no longer vice president of the Discovery Institute?

Might it be because his new book is another embarrassment to ID? In fact I have been wondering if the reason that there have been no new threads lately is because the PT guys are busy reading and writing reviews of that book.