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ADL Blasts Christian Supremacist TV Special & Book Blaming Darwin For Hitler New York, NY, August 22, 2006 ... The Anti-Defamation League (ADL) today blasted a television documentary produced by Christian broadcaster Dr. D. James Kennedy's Coral Ridge Ministries that attempts to link Charles Darwin's theory of evolution to Adolf Hitler and the atrocities of the Holocaust. ADL also denounced Coral Ridge Ministries for misleading Dr. Francis Collins, the director of the National Human Genome Research Institute for the NIH, and wrongfully using him as part of its twisted documentary, "Darwin's Deadly Legacy." After being contacted by the ADL about his name being used to promote Kennedy's project, Dr. Collins said he is "absolutely appalled by what Coral Ridge Ministries is doing. I had NO knowledge that Coral Ridge Ministries was planning a TV special on Darwin and Hitler, and I find the thesis of Dr. Kennedy's program utterly misguided and inflammatory," he told ADL. ADL National Director Abraham H. Foxman said in a statement:"This is an outrageous and shoddy attempt by D. James Kennedy to trivialize the horrors of the Holocaust. Hitler did not need Darwin to devise his heinous plan to exterminate the Jewish people. Trivializing the Holocaust comes from either ignorance at best or, at worst, a mendacious attempt to score political points in the culture war on the backs of six million Jewish victims and others who died at the hands of the Nazis. "It must be remembered that D. James Kennedy is a leader among the distinct group of 'Christian Supremacists' who seek to "reclaim America for Christ" and turn the U.S. into a Christian nation guided by their strange notions of biblical law." The documentary is scheduled to air this weekend along with the publication of an accompanying book "Evolution's Fatal Fruit: How Darwin's Tree of Life Brought Death to Millions." A Coral Ridge Ministries press release promoting the documentary says the program "features 14 scholars, scientists, and authors who outline the grim consequences of Darwin's theory of evolution and show how his theory fueled Hitler's ovens."

Don't pay to see Expelled.

See it for free if you have to. This clunker will end up as free DVDs, free church basement showings, and on late night Xian Trinity Broadcasting TV soon enough.

Or possibly as a triple feature with The Rocky Horror Picture Show and From Darwin to Hitler.

Not even going to bother to see it for free. We already know that they only repeat the old lie:

Science=evolution=atheism=mass murder.

Time is worth something too.

raven: Coral Ridge used the Argumentium ad Hitlerium first in their landmark Darwindidit From Darwin to Hitler and Expelled just cloned it. Apparently the Jews weren't too happy about the Blame Darwin lie. It will be interesting to see if they speak up this time around. They should. The Expelled liars are just using an atrocity to further their own ends. Which is to bring about another and potentially much larger atrocity. It also looks like they PZed/Dawkinsed Francis Collins.

Linking atheism to the NCSE is counter-productive for the simple reason that its untrue and misleading. Wasn't PvM's intention, but I'm sure other's promote it. I'd be surprised if NCSE appreciated the linkage.

Mike,

We have creo posters over at Amazon.com, such as the notorious "Bent" Brent Mortimer, who think that NCSE is an Atheist organization. As a loyal NCSE member, I know that isn't true at all. However, on the other hand, I think it is quite appropriate to acknowledge organizations like the Disco Tute (Discovery Institute) and Answers in Genesis as those comprised primarily of Christian Fascists, given their past behavior (e. g. threatening "Darwinists" and disseminating gross lies, distortions and omissions of published scientific evidence contrary to their twisted, tormented views of Fundamentalist Protestant Christianity).

Regards,

John

Marc Connor: If you can't afford a Truth Ticket, a Fact Cheque will do.

Here is a link to the comment form at the ADL web site.

http://www.adl.org/contact_us.asp

I think a few well written messages concerning expelled would
be welcomed. (limit 1000 characters).

Here is the text of my message to the ADL. Perhaps others would care to provide appropriate links and other information revealing the pertinent facts behind this sordid production.

"As I am sure you have been informed, on 18 April a vile propaganda piece named Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed, that purports to be a documentary, is scheduled to open in “1000” commercial cinemas nation wide. This egregious exploitation of the holocaust is funded by Dominionists, promoted by Premise Media, hosted by none other than Ben Stein, and if it is possible, even more mendacious and self-serving than “From Darwin to Hitler”.

Its sole intent and purpose is the furtherance of a political agenda thinly veiled by claims of advocacy for “academic freedom”. Its release is coordinated with a concerted effort nation-wide in state legislatures and local school boards to inveigle pseudoscience into public education solely to further the Dominionist’s goal of overturning the U.S. constitution and forming a theocracy.

I hope the ADL will join the majority academic community in condemning this calumny and exposing the lies and distortions that are its entire content."

This is a good idea. I know many people who want to go see "Expelled" just to be able to jeer at the movie screen. I will encourage them to make a donation to NCSE as well.

So there's no real rebuttal of the movie - just ad hominem attacks and pot shots?

When will you people ever learn that the vast majority of people are not "smart" enough to swallow darwinism?

Keep circling your wagons. The rest of us are laughing too hard to pose any real threat.

ID'd: So there's no real rebuttal of the movie - just ad hominem attacks and pot shots? When will you people ever learn that the vast majority of people are not "smart" enough to swallow darwinism? Keep circling your wagons. The rest of us are laughing too hard to pose any real threat.

Mike, when I called NCSE to make my donation the guy had heard about the Truth Tickets and said "we are very pleased about it".

ID'd: So there's no real rebuttal of the movie - just ad hominem attacks and pot shots? When will you people ever learn that the vast majority of people are not "smart" enough to swallow darwinism? Keep circling your wagons. The rest of us are laughing too hard to pose any real threat.

Mike, We have creo posters over at Amazon.com, such as the notorious “Bent” Brent Mortimer, who think that NCSE is an Atheist organization.

Andrea Bottaro: Reality IOUs, Evidence Bonds and Rationality Futures are welcome as well. Seriously, empty that penny jar and help out.

MattusMaximus: This is a good idea. I know many people who want to go see "Expelled" just to be able to jeer at the movie screen. I will encourage them to make a donation to NCSE as well.

Dang...Stacy...your suggestion beat me to it!

I'll pay to see "10,000 BC"...I'm sure it is scientifically more accurate anyhow!

Stacy S.: Please tell them to buy a ticket to a different movie and then maybe "miraculously" change their minds about what movie they are going to attend.

I liked this idea enough to pick the topic up on my blog as well. However, with a slightly creationist twist. er.....

here's the link: http://pesharim.wordpress.com/2008/04/08/stupid-offsets/

Jonathan Brennecke = Troll

Sounds like the movie struck a nerve. How dare anyone question Darwin! Darwin is God. Not.

"There are people who believe that dinosaurs and men lived together. That they roamed the Earth at the same time. There are museums that children go to, in which they build dioramas to show them this. And what this is, purely and simply, is a clinical psychotic reaction. They are crazy. They are stone cold f*** nuts. I can't be kind about this, because these people are watching The Flintstones as if it were a documentary."

-Lewis Black

Brett: Sounds like the movie struck a nerve. How dare anyone question Darwin! Darwin is God. Not.

Somehow I don't believe he meant to speak for all religious people. That's a very outstanding generalization.

J. brennecke lying troll: Somehow I don’t believe he meant to speak for all religious people. That’s a very outstanding generalization.

I never said that I'm speaking for all religious people. I did, however, mention that that is a very large generalization.... i.e logical fallacy. Interestingly, a similar generalization is to assume that I (and apparently all other "croes") are part of some religious cult. That simply isn't true. I don't "do fake versus real either" and I definitely don't associate my beliefs with any denomination.

Jonathan: Brett is alleging that those people who accept the Theory of Evolution as a fact and as a valid explanation of the diversity of life worship Charles Darwin as a god. The people behind "Expelled!: No Intelligence Allowed" are alleging that those people who accept the Theory of Evolution as a fact and as a valid explanation of the diversity of life not only persecute proponents of Intelligent Design "theory," and are also alleging that Adolf Hitler and Josef Stalin committed all of their atrocities as a result of the Theory of Evolution, despite the fact that evidence suggested that neither understood Biology, that neither actually supported the Theory of Evolution (especially not Stalin), and that there is no evidence of either having even so much as touched any of Charles Darwin's books.

So, if you're not specifically here to cause trouble, as with all the other creationist trolls who visit this site, then what is your specific business here?

Brett is alleging that those people who accept the Theory of Evolution as a fact and as a valid explanation of the diversity of life worship Charles Darwin as a god.

Linking atheism to the NCSE is counter-productive for the simple reason that its untrue and misleading. Wasn’t PvM’s intention, but I’m sure other’s promote it. I’d be surprised if NCSE appreciated the linkage.

So there’s no real rebuttal of the movie - just ad hominem attacks and pot shots?

Brett said: Sounds like the movie struck a nerve. How dare anyone question Darwin!

As a Christian and scientist, I find the work by the NCSE very rewarding as it furthers the teaching of solid evolutionary science while opposing creationists attempts to undermine the public education system.

ID'd complained: So there’s no real rebuttal of the movie - just ad hominem attacks and pot shots?

Well said Stanton, but first of all, perhaps I should apologize for coming off as a troll and/or trouble maker. Sry.

And as to why I'm here, well... there don't happen to be a lot of creationist blogs that deal with real science. Most just put down the evolutionists, as it were... but that's just another generalization. Bother. Anyways, I was hanging out over here to catch up on the news from this side of the debate, just as a matter of accountability. And, having blogged about the aforementioned story earlier, I apparently got caught up in the discussion....hmmm....

JB: Interestingly, a similar generalization is to assume that I (and apparently all other “croes”) are part of some religious cult.

Haha... sure w/e call me a cultist. But where's the science here if merely the label "cultist" means that one is inherently wrong about everything?

Ben Stein: “If Darwinism is correct, and if we’re all just accidents, and if we’re all just haphazard descendants of a mud puddle, then Hitler was right. And Hitler was totally right; You can kill six million Jews, it has no moral significance at all, any more than wiping mud off your shoe would have.”

Haha… sure w/e call me a cultist. But where’s the science here if merely the label “cultist” means that one is inherently wrong about everything?

What's going on with posts being flushed down the memory hole and lack of honoring trackbacks? Did the former minister of propaganda from the NCSE add William Wallace to the blacklist?

Gene that withstands salinity could mark agricultural boon By David Brinn July 04, 2006 Imagine what it would mean for the world hunger problem if farmers could grow wheat and other crops on land considered unsuitable for agriculture. That day may be coming soon, after Israeli researchers from the Institute of Evolution of the University of Haifa, have succeeded in isolating a gene that withstands salinity. "The research will contribute to a significant increase in the amount of arable land available for agriculture," said the institute's director Professor Eviatar Nevo, who initiated and spearheaded the pioneering research.continues

Study the rise of the PT-mafia : What's going on with posts being flushed down the memory hole and lack of honoring trackbacks? Did the former minister of propaganda from the NCSE add William Wallace to the blacklist?

Tel Aviv U. Life Sciences: About the department אודות המחלקה The Department of Zoology was initially established in 1932 as the Biological-Pedagogical Institute, and was one of the first institutions that formed Tel-Aviv University in its early days. Over the years, the department has become the largest academic center for zoological research in Israel and some of its members have played key roles in establishing the various nature conservation institutions and organizations in the country. Today, the Department of Zoology is still one of the largest departments in the Faculty of Life Sciences. It comprises about forty faculty members and about eighty graduate students. Research in the department covers a wide spectrum of subjects, including Physiology, Endocrinology, Developmental Biology, Ecology, Evolutionary Biology, Animal Behavior and Marine Biology.

Jonathan Brennecke: I liked this idea enough to pick the topic up on my blog as well. However, with a slightly creationist twist. er..... here's the link: http://pesharim.wordpress.com/2008/04/08/stupid-offsets/

ID'd: So there's no real rebuttal of the movie - just ad hominem attacks and pot shots?

ID'd: So there's no real rebuttal of the movie - just ad hominem attacks and pot shots? When will you people ever learn that the vast majority of people are not "smart" enough to swallow darwinism? Keep circling your wagons. The rest of us are laughing too hard to pose any real threat.

I just bought my TruthTicket.

Stein said:

“If Darwinism is correct, and if we’re all just accidents, and if we’re all just haphazard descendants of a mud puddle, then Hitler was right. And Hitler was totally right; You can kill six million Jews, it has no moral significance at all, any more than wiping mud off your shoe would have.”

Man, that is one guy that I hope never does figure out that evolution is true. I think that it would be better for all concerned if he just continued to live in his little world of denial using his excuse for moral behavior. Otherwise the guy is likely to try to start another genocide. Maybe he is just lookiing for an excuse to do just that.

Of course, even if his reasoning were correct, which it isn't, that still would not mean that evolution was not true. But it might mean that some people would have to make some real moral decisions, perhaps for the first time in their lives.

PvM wrote: Sigh, Hi William... And no your trackback was held for approval. We have been hit by a massive trackback spam recently.

As a Christian and scientist, I find the work by the NCSE very rewarding as it furthers the teaching of solid evolutionary science while opposing creationists attempts to undermine the public education system.

The Adam factor, it is because of Adam we need a saviour, but if you don't believe in Adam then how can you believe in Jesus. If there was no fall how can you believe in a redeemer. For as in Adam all die so also in Christ all shall be made alive. The relevance of Genesis 1-3 is vital to salvation for without a literal belief in CREATION there is no need for a literal redemption. Adam and Jesus are inextricably linked through the fall and salvation. Sin the cause, Christ the cure

raven: ... we already have a seriously ill paranoid schizophrenic from Oklahoma babbling on these threads.

Jonathan Brennecke: Well said Stanton, but first of all, perhaps I should apologize for coming off as a troll and/or trouble maker. Sry.

And as to why I'm here, well... there don't happen to be a lot of creationist blogs that deal with real science. Most just put down the evolutionists, as it were... but that's just another generalization. Bother.

Haha... sure w/e call me a cultist. But where's the science here if merely the label "cultist" means that one is inherently wrong about everything?

ERV:

raven: ... we already have a seriously ill paranoid schizophrenic from Oklahoma babbling on these threads.

I prefer to call myself a mad scientist, thank you very much :P I have to admit, Im going to see EXPELLED for personal reasons. Ive put my concious at ease by knowing Mathis & Co.'s profits might be 'commandeered' by someone else...............

Thanks for restoring my ability to comment, and trackback. I still find it odd that you’ve aligned with atheists, and that you are promoting the falsehood that literal readings of the Bible and “fundamentalist” Christianity are against Science, but whatever. As Ann Coulter wrote, Christians don’t need evolution to be false, but atheist need macro-evolution to be true.

— Wallace

After reading this post, I wonder how PT-mafia regulars rectify their opposition to the tax exempt status of religious organizations with the tax exempt status of the NCSE. (Personally, I think both should be taxed).

Who or what gave you the idea to encourage others to support the evolander NCSE?

At least you’re not encouraging others to see the film after purchasing tickets for a different film.

I would like your advice PvM. Just how do you deal with this kind of attitude ? If I didn’t know any better I’d say Billy is really calling into question my salvation (i.e. that I’m not really “born again” or “saved”). How would you reply ? I’m open to suggestions. What billy is implying is that in order for a person to be saved he/she must ditch all conventional science (i.e. evolutionary science)

— Peter Henderson

PvM wrote Why are you against the NCSE?

Why the use of the term ‘evolander’?

Why do you support ignorant or vacuous scientific concepts in name of Christ?

Peter Henderson wrote: What billy is implying is that in order for a person to be saved he/she must ditch all conventional science (i.e. evolutionary science)

Why the use of the term ‘evolander’?

?I think their role in the Richard Sternberg affair was pretty messed up.

— William Wallace

I still find it odd that you’ve aligned with atheists, and that you are promoting the falsehood that literal readings of the Bible and “fundamentalist” Christianity are against Science, but whatever. As Ann Coulter wrote, Christians don’t need evolution to be false, but atheist need macro-evolution to be true.

— Wallace

Ann Coulter is not a very good source for science nor logic really.

— PvM

After reading this post, I wonder how PT-mafia regulars rectify their opposition to the tax exempt status of religious organizations with the tax exempt status of the NCSE. (Personally, I think both should be taxed).

— William Wallace

Who or what gave you the idea to encourage others to support the evolander NCSE?

— William Wallace

William Wallace:

Why do you support ignorant or vacuous scientific concepts in name of Christ?

Why do you lie? My support of science is not done in the name of Christ. And I do not support ignorant or vacuous scientific concepts. I support science. Science does not suppress critical questions or pursuit of facts that might not support the status quo. Do you intentionally confuse a criticism of science with science?

The genius Keith Eaton used the term, and I deemed it apropos. When dealing with ardent and zealous defenders of the Darwinian faith, Evolander seemed as good a term as evolutionist.

Why do you lie? My support of science is not done in the name of Christ. And I do not support ignorant or vacuous scientific concepts. I support science. Science does not suppress critical questions or pursuit of facts that might not support the status quo. Do you intentionally confuse a criticism of science with science?

William Wallace:

Peter Henderson wrote: What billy is implying is that in order for a person to be saved he/she must ditch all conventional science (i.e. evolutionary science)

I imply no such thing. You are either deceitful or dense.

Simple really. Adam and Eve represent humanity reaching a state of becoming aware of God. As such they were no longer innocent for their sins as they had ‘tasted from the tree of knowledge’ and sin entered into the lives as now the actions of humans were not always in line with God’s guidelines and thus sinful. Adam and Eve are not to be confused with a literal creation but rather represent a spiritual creation.

I imply no such thing. You are either deceitful or dense.

John C. Whitcomb, co-author of “the Genesis flood” has been quoted as saying that Christians who don’t accept YECism are only “half born”

The Catholics never, ever make the cut

That's the "Hope 2008" entry by the way.

William Wallace said: The genius Keith Eaton used the term...

Don't wory about crm. it won't be long before they are out of business! their long time supporters are backing away and the money is drying up...i know this for a fact!