ExpelledExposed.com has gone live

I'm impressed. A real example of someone who has been expelled - Chris Comer interviewed on video, and a person-by person and point-by-point rebuttal. You folks have been busy, expect to receive my "Truth Ticket" soon.

Could use a picture of Ben Stein spraypainting the Gott Mit Uns belt buckle, though.

You folks are ready!

It seems my Firefox blocks those sponsored links. Could you supply a better hint here, please?

Too bad Google Adsense doesn't have it as a referral link. I'd put it up on my site for free...

IM,

Oh, I think the producers Godwinned themselves sufficiently already! ;-)

Looks good! Thanks, NCSE! My colleagues will appreciate this . . .

The current EXPELLED header reads;

'Questions have been raised about the origination of some of the animation used in our movie EXPELLED: No Intelligence Allowed.

Claims that we have used any animation in an unauthorized manner are simply false. Premise Media created the animation that illustrates cellular activity used in our film.
- The Producers of “EXPELLED: No Intelligence Allowed”

But their stone tablet hard drive contains this text

'Questions have been raised about the origination of some of the arm hair simulation used in the hostile takeover of Jacob's alledged brother Esau's birthright.

Claims that Jacob used any vocal distortion or kidskin in an unauthorized manner are simply false. Pentateuch Media created the alleged hairiness by cloning goatstem cells, and since "Thou Shalt Not Steal' won't enter written law for threescore generations, tell your Harvard lawyers to soak their heads in the washpot of Moab.

-The Producers of "THE BOOK OF EXPELLUS: No Ethics Allowed"

http://adamant.typepad.com/seitz/2008/03/the-bayeaux-tra.html

Superb, just superb. Well done to you chaps for all the work put into this.

Excellent analysis.

And yet this "Expelled" movie is slated to open in many theaters. Yes, it might flop, and we certainly hope it will.
Someone needs to follow the money trail, i.e., who's bankrolling this whole affair, kinda like the terrorist money trail (which it is). It can't be cheap. Is it Robertson, Dobson, Focus on the Family, Christe Minsitries, ..? Or could it even be, conspiratorially speaking, ... a warped under-the-table "faith-based" initiative supported by tax dollars? Someone's forking over bucks on this thing.

Also, is the media afraid to touch the subject? Religion, after all, is a hands-off affair. Oh, but this isn't about religion, is it say the ID supporters.

A smaller paper in Seattle did a great expose on the DI and I need to find the article. The DI was fuming because they published the "wedge" document.

Posting the list of who is really being beaten up, threatened, fired, attempted to be fired, and killed. Not surprisingly, it is scientists and science supporters by Death Cultists. I've discovered that this list really bothers fundies. Truth to them is like a cross to a vampire. There is a serious reign of terror by Xian fundie terrorists directed against the reality based academic community, specifically acceptors of evolution. I'm keeping a running informal tally, listed below. They include death threats, firings, attempted firings, assaults, and general persecution directed against at least 11 people. The Expelled Liars have totally ignored the ugly truth of just who is persecuting who. If anyone has more info add it. Also feel free to borrow or steal the list. I thought I'd post all the firings of professors and state officials for teaching or accepting evolution. 2 professors fired, Bitterman (SW CC Iowa) and Bolyanatz (Wheaton) 1 persecuted unmercifully Richard Colling (Olivet) 1 attempted firing Murphy (Fuller Theological by Phillip Johnson IDist) 1 successful death threats, assaults harrasment Gwen Pearson (UT Permian) 1 state official fired Chris Comer (Texas) 1 assault, fired from dept. Chair Paul Mirecki (U. of Kansas) 1 killed, Rudi Boa, Biomedical Student (Scotland) Death Threats Eric Pianka UT Austin and the Texas Academy of Science engineered by a hostile, bizarre IDist named Bill Dembski Death Threats Michael Korn, fugitive from justice, towards the UC Boulder biology department and miscellaneous evolutionary biologists. Death Threats Judge Jones Dover trial. He was under federal marshall protection for a while Up to 11 with little effort. Probably there are more. I turned up a new one with a simple internet search. Haven't even gotten to the secondary science school teachers. And the Liars of Expelled have the nerve to scream persecution. On body counts the creos are way ahead.

Hahahah I loved this bit under Michael Egnor section, made me laugh at loud at work:

The Claim

Michael Egnor says in Expelled that he expected criticism, but was shocked by the “viciousness” and “baseness” of the response.

The Facts

Michael Egnor had apparently never been on the Internet before.

Someone with the power should link the word "Expelled" in the Panda's Post on Expelled to ExpelledExposed to boost its Google-rank. (cf. #157 & #158 over at Pharyngula.)

Great!! Now imagine the same amount of frenetic energy and concern being applied to people in our society who approve of, and engage in, torture.

Offhand that's the most obvious proof that humans have evolved that I can think of. We can harp and yak about evolving all we want, but if we're forced back into the dark ages under whip and gun, by people with creative juices aimed towards junk like Expelled, then it's gonna be very bleak for all of us.....

Whether we continue to lose our vestigial organs or not.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/blog/2008/04/14/BL2008041401428.html?hpid=opinionsbox1

Enjoy.

I'm loving it.

The Nazis appropriated language and concepts from evolution as well as from genetics, medicine (especially the germ theory of disease), and anthropology as propaganda tools to promote their perverted ideology of “racial purity.”

Interesting history from the Wikipedia site (eugenics):

"Eugenics was supported by Woodrow Wilson, and, in 1907, helped to make Indiana the first of more than thirty states to adopt legislation aimed at compulsory sterilization of certain individuals.[30]"

{NOTE: J. Frank Hanly January 9, 1905 January 11, 1909, was the Republican Governor at the time!! Does the DI tout that fact in their books?? Looks like both Reps & Dems supported eugenics}

"Although the law was overturned by the Indiana Supreme Court in 1921,[31] the U.S. Supreme Court upheld the constitutionality of a Virginia law allowing for the compulsory sterilization of patients of state mental institutions in 1927.[32]

Beginning with Connecticut in 1896, many states enacted marriage laws with eugenic criteria, prohibiting anyone who was "epileptic, imbecile or feeble-minded" from marrying."

Just poked around a bit on the NCSE site. The Expelled Goebbelites really had to stretch to find even a few cases of might have been but wasn't persecution.

Marks had his pseudoscience website pulled because Baylor had some questions about his linking his views to Baylor. Big Deal.

Winnock writes a bunch of pro ID articles. Nothing happens to her. What was the point of this?

Crocker is clearly totally incompetent and they pointed that out. Her Archaeoptyryx and Hippus slides would have got her flunked in a freshman class.

As I posted above, creo persecution of science has been much more common and serious.

The Expelleds spent millions of dollars on a propaganda film with no basis in fact. Just a bunch of lies strung together.

The NCSE site is restrained, low key, and scholarly. That is OK, plenty of other sites will be unrestrained, energetic, and blunt.

Given the extent of Egnor's "persecution", they probably should have titled the movie "Expelled, or at least very emotionally distraught".

It can't be cheap. Is it Robertson, Dobson, Focus on the Family, Christe Minsitries, ..?

I would suggest asking this guy:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howard_Ahmanson,_Jr.

he's bankrolled a lot of this kind of stuff, and has been connected with the Disinformation Institute previously.

The uncommon folks, of course, don't like it, though of course have nothing substantive to say against any of its arguments.

And yet somehow that content-free UD blog post instantly jumped to the top google rankings for expelled, above resources that actually do discuss the film, for real. Bwaaaa?

And yet somehow that content-free UD blog post instantly jumped to the top google rankings for expelled, above resources that actually do discuss the film, for real. Bwaaaa?

interesting.

considering the amount of traffic UD actually gets (it's quite small), I smell something fishy.

I wonder if this traces back to threats made against Google by Davescott after Google "mistakenly" de-listed UD for what appeared to be link spamming?

first, Davescott blamed Wes, then he blamed Google...

I wonder if they got Luskin or Johnson to write a nasty letter?

This is great! I have already forwarded the website to all my science colleagues, as well as those teachers in the social studies department (since "Expelled" butchers the Holocaust as well).

I'll also be passing along the link to many other email lists of which I'm a member. I suggest everyone here do the same.

Good work NCSE and PT. Keep it up.

Why is Egnor on the list of the "expelled"? How does being criticized for making demonstrably erroneous arguments constitute being "expelled" from anything? Exactly what is he supposed to have been expelled from? Who did the expelling? Ddd he not get his MD degree? Has he been fired from his job? Has he had a drastic reduction in his patient load? If so, who is to blame for that?

Man, what a bunch of lying whining ninnies. It seems that they are emotionally incapable of telling the truth, even if it would somehow make them look good. If these are the best examples they have of "persecution" it's no wonder they played the Hitler card. They don't actually have even one example of anyone being expelled from anything.

They could have mentioned the California case where students from religious schools were denied entrance due to lack of qualifications. Now that is an example of being excluded at least, if not actually expelled. Of course, if the facts of that case become more widely known, it could have a very chilling effect on religious schooling in this country. But when they lose again, I guess that is going to happen anyway.

Raven's list is much better than this nonsense. Let's make a movie. We'll call it EXPUNGED: No intelligence allowed to exist, anywhere.

Someone needs to follow the money trail, i.e., who’s bankrolling this whole affair, kinda like the terrorist money trail (which it is). It can’t be cheap.

Why is Egnor on the list of the “expelled”?

David Stanton: They could have mentioned the California case where students from religious schools were denied entrance due to lack of qualifications.

The stupidity of evolanders outside a half dozen narrow fields of science is so amazing it is tantamont to a continuous Three Stooges movie being played out in real time.

It's all so perfect...I am laughing so hard tears are rolling down my cheeks.

The irony meter remain pegged and the curcuits are smoking as I review the last 120 days of evolander posts and actions taken by the advocates of the big science power machine.

1) Belittle anyone and everone having anything to do with the ID movement as some form of right wing nutcase, pseudoscience moron, politically motivated hack, literal creationist YEC, or incompetent scientist.

2) Flood the internet with attack posts.

3) Accuse the developers, writers, and actors associated with the movie of deceit, incompetence, dishonesty, unfair practices, and illegality.

4) Call in all the attack dogs, liberal media types, and official evolander organizations and leaders to write, speak, and at every opportunity criticize and excoriate the movie itself.

4) Seek to limit access to the movie by fraudulent attempts to force an NC-17 rating.

5) Attempt to use the legal system to limit access and unduly burden the Expelled officials with response to legal threrats…totally unfounded in law.

6) romote unethical proposals to disrupt screenings and release viewing via phony tickets, disturbances, and picketing.

This activity list clearly illustrates precisely what the movie is about, the extreme and nazi-like power tactics by a coordinated element of science attempting to foist one view of life science on all Americans, prevent free speech in science and public debate, refuse academic freedom to both practioners and students of science who do not follow the darwin party line.

“For ’tis the sport to have the engineer
Hoist with his own petard: an’t shall go hard
But I will delve one yard below their mines,
And blow them at the moon. O, ’tis most sweet,
When in one line two crafts directly meet.” Shakespeare

keith: 1) Belittle anyone and everone having anything to do with the ID movement as some form of right wing nutcase, pseudoscience moron, politically motivated hack, literal creationist YEC, or incompetent scientist. Well, anyone and everyone having anything to do with the ID movement IS some form of right wing nutcase, pseudoscience moron, etc etc etc. So, what's your point here?

KL:

keith: 1) Belittle anyone and everone having anything to do with the ID movement as some form of right wing nutcase, pseudoscience moron, politically motivated hack, literal creationist YEC, or incompetent scientist.

Well, anyone and everyone having anything to do with the ID movement IS some form of right wing nutcase, pseudoscience moron, etc etc etc. So, what's your point here?

Keith,

Do you actually agree with everything in the movie, or are you just blowing smoke hoping no one will see what a terrible lie it is? If you don't like someone's response to the movie, how about documenting where they are wrong instead of just insulting them because they don't agree with you. Oh wait, those were the same tactics used in the movie.

Oh, by the way, if you think that making insulting comments on a science internet blog can be equated with being a Nazi, then you have the same mental deficiencies displayed by those making the movie. So perhaps you can tell us what Egnor was expelled from.

Just to be clear, I want everyone to go and see this movie, no censorship here. People can form their own opinions about the content. I just don't want them to have to pay to see a worthless piece of crap without being warned first.

@ keith - Hahahahahahaahahahahahahaha!! LoL! Go and boil your bottom, you son of a silly person.

1) Belittle anyone and everone having anything to do with the ID movement as some form of right wing nutcase, pseudoscience moron, politically motivated hack, literal creationist YEC, or incompetent scientist.

2) Flood the internet with attack posts.

3) Accuse the developers, writers, and actors associated with the movie of deceit, incompetence, dishonesty, unfair practices, and illegality.

4) Call in all the attack dogs, liberal media types, and official evolander organizations and leaders to write, speak, and at every opportunity criticize and excoriate the movie itself.

4) Seek to limit access to the movie by fraudulent attempts to force an NC-17 rating.

5) Attempt to use the legal system to limit access and unduly burden the Expelled officials with response to legal threrats…totally unfounded in law.

6) romote unethical proposals to disrupt screenings and release viewing via phony tickets, disturbances, and picketing.

In THREE days, the CRUSHING suppression of Big Science will begin to end - hope, learning, data, honesty, academic freedom, science and American values will return to this nation. THIS will be the end.

Ben Stein and Premise have done such an outstanding job of presenting the essence of the struggles of ID that no one could hope to express it more clearly or more adeptly: suppression, Communism, Marxism, the Discovery Institute, Creation, and Religion are all interwoven in this complex and deeply-moving attempt at film-making. Caroline Crocker and Ben Stein together express themselves in such a sticky, sweet melange of undeniable TRUTH that all viewers MUST realize the unity of their position. Such a match virtually shakes Evolution, Natural Selection and Darwinism to its very core.

In the end, there is no science unless it is God-born science, and there is no data unless it is God-born data. Anything falling short of this mark is not of the one True science, HIS Science.

Mathematically, the Du Gerdemain manifolds have unfortunately failed to provide the insight into reality that was needed to disprove evolution, but God will eventually guide me to the RIGHT theory and show to me how to find the CORRECT data. In no way will HE allow the HUMAN SLAG of the DECEIVER's blogs to influence my research.

Intelligent Design follows the truth back to the reality that God is the Designer of the Universe. Each intricate part of every living thing was crafted first in the Will of the Creator and is expressed in whole by His Omnipotence in the reality which is all around. The Designer's WILL is sufficient in itself and of itself.

Why do you Hell-seekers deny the Truth? Why do you HATE the LOVE of God? Has Satan promised you a corner office and a wonderful life? A Voluptuous Maiden? A Handsome Man? A Skeptical Woman? A Thinking Man? Money? Riches? Gold? Baubles? A Paltry Few Data Points? A Least Squares Fit? How cheaply have you sold you ETERNAL souls for such a meager sum? Your linear regression will take you STRAIGHT to HELL. Nudge the data here, get a professorship. Nudge the data there, become a fellow. Fudge the data a little more, gain a Chair. Expel a colleague, become a dean. It is time for the DATA-WHORES to repent their EVIL lies. Follow the TRUTH and REPENT. One should not doubt the seriousness of this situation. The WORD is that It will end badly for those who do.

REMEMBER the TRUTH in this FILM! It will be the only thing that SAVES you.

Mark Witt

Intelligent Design,
Institute of Theory
New Haven, CT

Mark Witt: Ben Stein and Premise have done such an outstanding job of presenting the essence of the struggles of ID that no one could hope to express it more clearly or more adeptly: suppression, Communism, Marxism, the Discovery Institute, Creation, and Religion are all interwoven in this complex and deeply-moving attempt at film-making.

Mark Witt: Has Satan promised you a corner office and a wonderful life? A Voluptuous Maiden? ... A Least Squares Fit?

Satan promised me a least squares fit? It really depends on whether I am trying to predict the value of the dependent variable, or describe the allometric relationship between two variables. For the latter, I prefer the reduced major axis, and St. Peter promised me that one.

Martin Wagner, Wow Mr Earth Justice ( once married to a seal), instructor at the Golden Gate Law School ( which meets every other week in a freight car)and tied with pee wee myers for giving intellect a very bad name.

I do hold two Engr. Degrees and currently working on a Liberal Studies masters with emphasis in History of Science.

The legal action is actually against them XVIVO and has been filed, as usual your team of doodooheads is out of touch with reality. ( was your law degree out of raisen bran box or cracker jacks... sluggo) Ever heard of the term STANDING?

As a retired Exec. of the Fortune 500 living quite comfortably in retirement I hold your stupid remarks in derision as you are a complete nobody, without accomplishment, without recognition, and an inconsequential arrogant ass.

And thanks again for your part in assuring the overwhelming impact of Expelled.

Stanton: In your case it's not worth the effort, to be of interest you would have to display intellect, importance, significance, capability and since your posts illustrate a desperate little shriveled wanabe wimpering for some type of approval or recognition it would not be profitable to waste time on you. Go on, tell us who abused you as a child.

Stacy: Please send photo .. I have a doberman next door who might be interested.

Just to be clear, I want everyone to go and see this movie, no censorship here. People can form their own opinions about the content. I just don’t want them to have to pay to see a worthless piece of crap without being warned first.

Mark Witt is an example of how you do parody. He drops hints. The true believers (or the lesser satirists) are totally, foaming-at-the-mouth around the bend.

Martin Wagner: Assessment: Keith, like most IDiots, is a pathological lair with bizarre paranoid delusions against an imaginary enemy, someone he calls "evolanders." (If anyone knows what those are, beyond a creationist straw man, please say so.) He is what, in the espionage field, is known as a "useful idiot," a brainwashed ideologue perfectly happy to disseminate select disinformation all on his own.

As always, a simple truth eludes the tiny, tiny, tiny brains of people like Keith: All the ID crowd has to do to be taken seriously by the scientific community is produce some scientific evidence to support ID. Instead, when asked to do science, the IDiots would rather huff and puff in childish indignation and promote lunatic conspiracy theories to flatter themselves with a sense of victimhood. In short, not only are they stupid, they're not exactly sane.

keith: Stacy: Please send photo .. I have a doberman next door who might be interested.

Martin Wagner: Keith, an uneducated fool, took a moment off from masturbating to NASCAR on pay-per-view...

keith vomiteth forth with : The stupidity of evolanders outside a half dozen narrow fields of science is so amazing it is tantamont to a continuous Three Stooges movie being played out in real time.

It’s all so perfect…I am laughing so hard tears are rolling down my cheeks.

The irony meter remain pegged and the curcuits are smoking as I review the last 120 days of evolander posts and actions taken by the advocates of the big science power machine.

1) Belittle anyone and everone having anything to do with the ID movement as some form of right wing nutcase, pseudoscience moron, politically motivated hack, literal creationist YEC, or incompetent scientist.

2) Flood the internet with attack posts.

3) Accuse the developers, writers, and actors associated with the movie of deceit, incompetence, dishonesty, unfair practices, and illegality.

4) Call in all the attack dogs, liberal media types, and official evolander organizations and leaders to write, speak, and at every opportunity criticize and excoriate the movie itself.

4) Seek to limit access to the movie by fraudulent attempts to force an NC-17 rating.

5) Attempt to use the legal system to limit access and unduly burden the Expelled officials with response to legal threrats…totally unfounded in law.

6) promote unethical proposals to disrupt screenings and release viewing via phony tickets, disturbances, and picketing.

This activity list clearly illustrates precisely what the movie is about, the extreme and nazi-like power tactics by a coordinated element of science attempting to foist one view of life science on all Americans, prevent free speech in science and public debate, refuse academic freedom to both practioners and students of science who do not follow the darwin party line.

“For ’tis the sport to have the engineer Hoist with his own petard: an’t shall go hard But I will delve one yard below their mines, And blow them at the moon. O, ’tis most sweet, When in one line two crafts directly meet.” Shakespeare

As a retired Exec. of the Fortune 500 living quite comfortably in retirement I hold your stupid remarks in derision as you are a complete nobody, without accomplishment, without recognition, and an inconsequential arrogant ass.

As a retired Exec. of the Fortune 500 living quite comfortably in retirement I hold your stupid remarks in derision as you are a complete nobody, without accomplishment, without recognition, and an inconsequential arrogant ass.

Stanton - notice Mr. Witts signature (or tag line )

Intelligent

Design

Institute

Of

Technology ...

Brilliant!! LoL :-)

The senile creationist keith finally got something right: "...anyone and everone having anything to do with the ID movement as some form of right wing nutcase, pseudoscience moron, politically motivated hack, literal creationist YEC, or incompetent scientist."

Mark Witt: In THREE days, the CRUSHING suppression of Big Science will begin to end ....

I'm personally curious if Mark Witt knows anything about this?? ...

"vibrio infections associated with seafood ingestion or wounds exposed to seawater."

(just curious)

The senile creationist keith strained and drooled: "I do hold two Engr. Degrees and currently working on a Liberal Studies masters with emphasis in History of Science."

When I type in anyones name from the evillution team I always get a picture of Alfred E. Neuman from 1957.

Evolander ..Queen huh..yeah I heard that on the net.

How's the cafeteria food these days down at the YMCA?

keith, do you ever tell the truth? So far, nothing you've said makes even the slightest bit of sense. Shall we recommend a psychatrist for you?

Will Peter Irons and the NCSE help defray the legal costs XVIVO will have to pay?

See Premise Media Corporation LP et al v. XVIVO L.L.C.

William Wallace: Will Peter Irons and the NCSE help defray the legal costs XVIVO will have to pay? See Premise Media Corporation LP et al v. XVIVO L.L.C.

keith: The usual hysterical blather removed for the sake of space.

Mark Witt: In THREE days, the CRUSHING suppression of Big Science will begin to end (The remanding demonstration of the total divorce of Intelligent Design from any religious beliefs at all dlete to conserve space). Mark Witt Intelligent Design, Institute of Theory New Haven, CT

David Robin:

keith: The usual hysterical blather removed for the sake of space.

“A wager a wager, I’ll lay you a wager, I’ll lay you my gold to your brass!”* Here it goes Keith, a chance to step up. (For the record, your fourth now).I say that one or the other or both of the following will occur: A. Expelled does not open April 18. and/or B. XVIVO sues Premise Media and wins. If I am wrong,I will cease to post on PT. If I am right, you will cease to post here. I will I ask the crew to enforce the bet by banning the loser. Personally, Keith, you don't seem to have the stones to accept the bet, even though it would be easy enough for you to weasel out of it with another ID. For my part, as a Christian and gentleman I will pledge both the letter and spirit of the wager. So, what’s it to be, child? In your court now. *Extra points for anyone who identifies the quote. dpr

David Robin:

keith: The usual hysterical blather removed for the sake of space.

“A wager a wager, I’ll lay you a wager, I’ll lay you my gold to your brass!”* Here it goes Keith, a chance to step up. (For the record, your fourth now).I say that one or the other or both of the following will occur: A. Expelled does not open April 18. and/or B. XVIVO sues Premise Media and wins. If I am wrong,I will cease to post on PT. If I am right, you will cease to post here. I will I ask the crew to enforce the bet by banning the loser. Personally, Keith, you don't seem to have the stones to accept the bet, even though it would be easy enough for you to weasel out of it with another ID. For my part, as a Christian and gentleman I will pledge both the letter and spirit of the wager. So, what’s it to be, child? In your court now. *Extra points for anyone who identifies the quote. dpr

William Wallace: Will Peter Irons and the NCSE help defray the legal costs XVIVO will have to pay? See Premise Media Corporation LP et al v. XVIVO L.L.C.

Dale Husband, Your post implies that you are the arbiter of truth and that is preposterous on its face. As to your making sense of posts there is scant evidence you have the gray matter to read for comprehension.

David Robin: Since the entire list of multifarious activities undertaken by the Big Science machine was directed toward preventing the opening of Expelled or at least postponing it, the only aspect of the bet worth pursuing is that result.

You win if its postponed in every screen venue or it never opens anywhere.

One other thing; if I win all the regular PT posters have to agree to start changing their underwear and showering at least weekly, shaving their face or underarms as appropriate, and the lady evos can't cheat by braiding the hair on their legs, it has to go also.

The long green mile is at hand and the Chaplain is really busy.

Keith you crack me up, imitating an ID creationist perfectly by talking a lot and saying nothing. How else to expose the scientific vacuity of Intelligent Design. Well done.

PS: Do you not believe in copyrights?

keith: David Robin: Since the entire list of multifarious activities undertaken by the Big Science machine was directed toward preventing the opening of Expelled or at least postponing it, the only aspect of the bet worth pursuing is that result. You win if its postponed in every screen venue or it never opens anywhere.

Mark Witt: Mathematically, the Du Gerdemain manifolds have unfortunately failed to provide the insight into reality that was needed to disprove evolution, but God will eventually guide me to the RIGHT theory and show to me how to find the CORRECT data. In no way will HE allow the HUMAN SLAG of the DECEIVER's blogs to influence my research. ... REMEMBER the TRUTH in this FILM! It will be the only thing that SAVES you. Mark Witt Intelligent Design, Institute of Theory New Haven, CT

Artfulskeptic said: Seriously, you are a parody, right? With Creandertrolls it’s so hard to tell.

No thanks, Dave I never let intellectually and otherwise inferior types dictate my choices.

I just watched an extended interview with Ben Stein, including several clips, etc.

Are you wireheads familiar with the term "dead meat"?

I mean when a few million people see this film you people will see what happens when elitist, pseudointellectual geeks attempt to take over science, speech, inquiry, and foist their atheistic materialism onto society, especially students. genie, pwee wee, doggins and groupies ...it won't be pretty.

You might want to buy some jeans and tennies and stow those peasant dresses, rope sandals, and roach clips...maybe toss your pocket protectors and sling bags also.

Al last science back to actual open inquiry and challenge.

Or we could just start thowing bags of peanuts on the ground and watch you squirrels bang each others brains out.

keith: No thanks, Dave I never let intellectually and otherwise inferior types dictate my choices.

I am unfamiliar with unintelligent design as a valid explanation for how all the progress in science and technology, art, music, philosophy, literature and all human activity in general has progressed in the last 5,000 years.

Can you lay out how unintelligent design works as a construct, a set of principles, a discipline, its methods and some peer reviewed papers on how unintelligent design should be employed in all scientific activities.

Is there a history of science text illustrating how unintelligent design has yielded the lion's share of achievement in science?

Or maybe there is another hypothesis, but it seems either intelligent design is the rule or unintelligent design is the rule....if not, what is the third alternative to achievement in human endeavors.

keith: I am unfamiliar with unintelligent design as a valid explanation for how all the progress in science and technology, art, music, philosophy, literature and all human activity in general has progressed in the last 5,000 years. Can you lay out how unintelligent design works as a construct, a set of principles, a discipline, its methods and some peer reviewed papers on how unintelligent design should be employed in all scientific activities. Is there a history of science text illustrating how unintelligent design has yielded the lion's share of achievement in science? Or maybe there is another hypothesis, but it seems either intelligent design is the rule or unintelligent design is the rule....if not, what is the third alternative to achievement in human endeavors.

I think Mark Witt is just that, a reMARKably WITTy parodist. WW is a paranoid kook with an overgrown ego, but at least he is relatively polite. Keith is worthy of nothing more than a big yawn, to call him a wit would be far less than half right.

Marilyn: I think Mark Witt is just that, a reMARKably WITTy parodist. WW is a paranoid kook with an overgrown ego, but at least he is relatively polite. Keith is worthy of nothing more than a big yawn, to call him a wit would be far less than half right.

FWIW the Intelligent Design, Institute of Theory part denies "perfect" parody. But it's good.

Evolutionary theory is not argued to be an explanation for progress

raven: PS Premise media just filed suit against XVIVO in Texas federal court. Odd, doesn't look like the right jurisdiction for a federal case as XVIVO is based in Connecticut.

I mean when a few million people see this film you people will see what happens when elitist, pseudointellectual geeks...blah blah blah

fnxtr: Reminds me of the "Secret ID research/weapon" that was supposed to be underway somewhere. Where is that research now? Anyone? Anyone? Bueler?

My Wife The Journalist states: Why can't these people be expelled along with their movie?

From: News Issues and Guests Division Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 10:34 AM To: [elided] Subject: EXPELLED: No Intelligence Allowed Producers File Lawsuit and Expose Efforts to Suppress Free Speech FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE April 15, 2008 Contact: Megan Erhardt (ext.136 ) or Mary Beth Hutchins (ext.105 ) at 703.683.5004 EXPELLED: No Intelligence Allowed Producers File Lawsuit and Expose Efforts to Suppress Free Speech Movie to Open in over 1,000 theaters This Friday Premise Media is ready to challenge the unfounded copyright infringement claims asserted recently by representatives of XVIVO, LLC concerning original animation Premise Media created for the documentary, EXPELLED: No Intelligence Allowed. On April 14, 2008, Premise Media filed a lawsuit in the United States District Court for the Northern District of Texas seeking declaratory judgment that there is no copyright or other infringement. Premise Media also seeks its attorneys? fees in responding to the XVIVO claims. The suit results from unfounded claims recently made by representatives of XVIVO. These claims have received wide distribution as part of an ongoing campaign attempting to discredit the film and its producers. Premise Media has also learned of grass root efforts that are underway to try to influence the ranking of internet searches regarding Expelled by those wanting to learn about the film. Their stated goal is an attempt to counter-site those searchers to other websites that criticize the themes in the movie. ?We are not surprised that opponents of our film are attempting to interfere with its important message. As the movie documents, similar tactics are being used across the country against many of the researchers, scientists, and professors who want to engage in free debate within science but have inadequate resources to challenge the Establishment. However, we do have the platform to confront the ?thought police,? and we will work tirelessly to open the doors of free speech and inquiry,? said Executive Producer and Premise Chairman Logan Craft. Executive Producer Walt Ruloff noted that, ?EXPELLED: No Intelligence Allowed opens in over 1,000 theaters nationwide this Friday, April 18th. It is interesting that these efforts are made less than ten days before the movie debuts and involve those who continually seek to thwart open debate. While bullying tactics may work against some individuals who are trying to explore the origins of life, it will not work against us. We certainly will not allow a small group of self-appointed gatekeepers to infringe our rights of free speech and our obligation to expose them for what they are ? namely, intellectual thugs unwilling to accept any dissent from Darwinian orthodoxy.? Ben Stein, the star of the movie, also makes it clear that no one will shut him up. ?I came to this project unsure what I would find. I am now amazed at the intolerance of many academic elites. I feel that it is my mission to speak out on behalf of targeted dissenters and fight for their freedom of speech and freedom of inquiry.? For more information or to arrange an interview with a producer of the film EXPELLED, No Intelligence Allowed, please contact Megan Erhardt (ext. 136) or Mary Beth Hutchins (ext. 105) at 703.683.5004. If you would rather not receive future email messages from Angel Pictures News Issues and Guests Division, let us know by clicking here. Angel Pictures News Issues and Guests Division, * *, *, DC 20006 United States

I noticed that our favorite creationists have not addressed the actual data of the subject of this thread, namely who was expelled.

Not surprising, actually, since creationists never address the data rather spend their time dwelling on speculative narratives.

So, Willie and Keith, tell us all about the trials and tribulations of Mr. Sternberg. We're all ears.

Just a point of note folks. If you're looking to link on a blog in order to get the NCSE Expelled Exposed website a higher Google ranking, you should heed this advice...

http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=3623336&postcount=10

Bottom Line:

Do not use "Expelled Exposed" as your anchor text! (The anchor text is the visible text in a link). We need to get it moved higher in the Google rankings for when people search for the the movie. That means searches that have "expelled" in them but not "exposed".

So, for example, like this: Expelled :)

Back to your regularly scheduled thread...

What happened to the "Open Parachute" thread?

The evos here have once again managed to nonanswer another challenge. How far down do I have to dumb my propositions to get an answer that would rise above a Charlie McCarthy quote.

Thank goodness April 18th is near at hand so America can began the intellectual revolution necessary to expell the BS of evolution writ large from its position in science.

Most evenings I have a few moments of reflection trying to convince myself that the dookey birds on this and other evo forums actually have nothing to do with real science education.

Ben Stein will receive the Presidential Medal of Freedom and pee wee myers the Phillip Nolan award.

Unintelligent design.. the method of thought espoused by evolanders.

keith: The evos here have once again managed to nonanswer another challenge. How far down do I have to dumb my propositions to get an answer that would rise above a Charlie McCarthy quote. Thank goodness April 18th is near at hand so America can began the intellectual revolution necessary to expell the BS of evolution writ large from its position in science. Most evenings I have a few moments of reflection trying to convince myself that the dookey birds on this and other evo forums actually have nothing to do with real science education. Ben Stein will receive the Presidential Medal of Freedom and pee wee myers the Phillip Nolan award. Unintelligent design.. the method of thought espoused by evolanders.

Doc Bill

I trust even the evo ship of fools can read an official investigative document and grasp the facts...then again maybe not.

http://www.rsternberg.net/OSC_ltr.htm

Can I loan you the $8 to go to the movie and get an education?

keith held forth: Doc Bill I trust even the evo ship of fools can read an official investigative document and grasp the facts...then again maybe not. http://www.rsternberg.net/OSC_ltr.htm Can I loan you the $8 to go to the movie and get an education?

keith: Doc Bill I trust even the evo ship of fools can read an official investigative document and grasp the facts...then again maybe not. http://www.rsternberg.net/OSC_ltr.htm Can I loan you the $8 to go to the movie and get an education?