Adam and Steve Steve in the Garden of Eden

Amazing! And besiders detractors they actually get people there? Unbelievable!

I love the group picture at the end.

I love the "Evils of Human Reasoning" theme.
Isn't it funny that the creationists blast human reasoning--the language of science--yet turn around and use it when criticizing Evolution (with Intelligent Design)?

It's not like you'll ever hear a scientist talk about gravity in terms of good or evil--the language of religion. Using one type of language to talk about a wholly different concept would just be silly.

Isn't it funny that the creationists blast human reasoning---the language of science---yet turn around and use it when criticizing Evolution (with Intelligent Design)

I think you mean misuse it, but your point is taken.

What amuses me no end about fundies is that, on the one hand, they disdain science because of its annoying habit of throwing cold water on their precious superstitions. On the other hand, they recognize in science the necessary agent of prestige one needs to have one's views accepted by the educated in a post-Enlightenment, rational society. So the gobbledygook they come up with in the act of mangling science to promote their ideologies is truly awe inspiring to behold.

They only got my eyes and nose? Is there no end to their treachery!

coulda been worse; Steve Steve might have been sitting on top of her head.

ya but, Jason....the rainbow ends at YOU

"Isn't it funny that the creationists blast human reasoning---the language of science---yet turn around and use it when criticizing Evolution (with Intelligent Design)?"

I mist have missed the point where an intelligent design advocate used reasoning skills. Do you have a link?

Was that Adam sculpture anatomically correct?

Besides, Jason... you're no Tara either.

Something that's not been mentioned in the various posts on the Creamuseum as far as I've seen is its organization. Rather than being able to wander pretty much ad lib, one was pretty much confined to a definite route. It was hard to freelance around in it out of that route. I haven't thought about the organization and implications of that route much -- anyone else?

I just love the way that they admit in huge posters that they don't give any credence to human reasoning. I mean, we know that's how many of them think, but I laughed when I saw that they freely admitted it!!

So the AIG is in the camp where the continents moved during the flood, so how did all the animals get back to where they belonged? How did the marsupials get back to Australia where the fossils of their ancestors got burried? Where did all the heat go? How did the crust keep from melting and the water not boil off? Did they have any explanations?

There was some creationists claiming that the continents moved after the flood and took all the animals with them, but they must be in the minority.

What happened to the creationists that used to claim that continental drift was bogus? Weren't Morris and Gish in that camp?

Something that's not been mentioned in the various posts on the Creamuseum as far as I've seen is its organization. Rather than being able to wander pretty much ad lib, one was pretty much confined to a definite route. It was hard to freelance around in it out of that route. I haven't thought about the organization and implications of that route much --- anyone else?

— RBH

Still, it must have been a relief for Steve Steve to find out his ancestors were Specially Created, and he's not a cousin to those scuzzy and far less cute red pandas.

Hey Steve, thanks for the report. Would you please explain how you were able to cavort about the displays so much without being harassed by museum staff? Thanks.

awesome museum... it is about time someone questioned the religion of evolution... amazing how scientists can criticize creationism and yet have so much faith to believe the pieced together mess that evolution is... I am glad you spent money and supported the museum though, take your kids back someday and let them know there are alternate theories on the origins of the earth and maybe when your religion will be exposed for what it is. You may find it won't be accepted as scientific fact when people find out there are alternate theories out there and see the many holes and missing links in evolution.

How can evolutionists explain the nature that happened following the Mt. St. helens eruption? Coal being formed in a few years instead of millions of years, canyons with rivers down the middle created in seconds and not millions of years, fossilized trees in seconds... the list goes on and on

the normal response from "scientists"... "What eruption?"

Oh yeah, nate, I just put some dirt in my microwave and it forms charcoal in seconds. Yeah.

And I never knew the real story of weeds.

Forget that - what's the real story of weed? I quit cold turkey years ago, but I'll try what nate's smoking. Does Hammie grow it?

What did dino's eat? If they weren't subject to death why would they eat anything? There would be no need to eat to sustain life if your could never end.

No no, lamuella.
When I used "it" in my previous comment, I neglected to include the word "try"--as in "try to use [reasoning]" (Like the whole mess about the C-value paradox Intelligent Designers are currently espousing).

I just meant that it's silly to hear them try and use reason-based scientific language to give support to non-scientific faith-based ideas

Also, Steve-Steve certainly gets around. Quite the popular Panda.

Nate,

Got any references for any of that, (from the scientific peer-reviewed literature). Or did you (or someone else) just make all that stuff up?

How can evolutionists explain the nature that happened following the Mt. St. helens eruption? Coal being formed in a few years instead of millions of years, canyons with rivers down the middle created in seconds and not millions of years, fossilized trees in seconds... the list goes on and on

Got any references for any of that, (from the scientific peer-reviewed literature). Or did you (or someone else) just make all that stuff up?

Nate said: You may find it won't be accepted as scientific fact when people find out there are alternate theories out there and see the many holes and missing links in evolution.

Wow. There are a lot of pandas at the museum...

"In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida baby, don't you know I'll always be true."

Well, some will always be more true than others. ;)

Do NCSE still do the project Steve T-Shirts? Since my son is called Stephen I'd love to get my hands on one!"

— Peter Henderson

Thanks for the info. Glenn. I'll have to order 2 or 3. One for myself, and a couple for the kids !

Stephen has been to the dinosaur display at the Ulster museum on at least one occasion with his school, so hopefully he's grasped the concept of "millions of years". The museum is closed for refurbishment at the moment, but when it re-opens I'll take Michael (my other son) along as well. His teacher tells me in his school report that he's a keen scientist !

Something that's not been mentioned in the various posts on the Creamuseum as far as I've seen is its organization. Rather than being able to wander pretty much ad lib, one was pretty much confined to a definite route. It was hard to freelance around in it out of that route. I haven't thought about the organization and implications of that route much --- anyone else?

The museum's replica of the Lucy skeleton is just one of the many similar displays that show very plainly how scientists' presuppositions influence their conclusions. A scientist who believes the biblical account of creation would see nothing more than an "ape from southern Africa" (which is literally what its name means) in the assortment of bones now hanging in the display case. But a scientist who has been conditioned to see millions of years and evolution will probably find a missing link in those bones---despite the conspicuous lack of feet, hands, or even an intact hipbone.

Computer animations show how tectonic activity on the ocean floor and huge tsunami-producing earthquakes could combine to cover the earth in water in just over a month. Alongside these displays are placards that answer common questions about the Flood. Secular scientists claim that the geological strata show less complex organisms at the bottom and more complex ones as you go up, attributing this to the evolutionary process over millions and millions of years. But if we consider the order of burial during the cataclysmic activity of the Flood, it makes perfect sense that sea creatures would be buried first, followed by invertebrates and finally by mammals and other vertebrates. The placard shown here gives an example of how the sequence could have worked during the first few hours of the Flood.

"Of course it's NOT Adam and Steve...It's Adam and Stephen."

-David Rakoff

A little troll going by the name of nate wrote:

"How can evolutionists explain the nature that happened following the Mt. St. Helen's eruption? Coal being formed in a few years instead of millions of years, canyons with rivers down the middle created in seconds and not millions of years, fossilized trees in seconds... the list goes on and on ....the normal response from "scientists"... "What eruption?""

Based on the absurdity of your pathetic statement, I must wonder if you actually visited Mount St Helens, or are you merely repeating the drivel that was spooned fed to you.

Of course I find it amazing how on the one hand, geologists had studied Mount St Helens before (including accurately predicting what would happen in 1980, except for the landslide and the lateral blast) and after the 1980 eruption, were suddenly too "stupid" to understand the eruption.

Here is a direct response. First, there are no comparisons to Step Canyon (What YECers like to call the "Little Grand Canyon") and the (real) Grand Canyon. Step Canyon goes through fields of unconsolidated pyroclastic flow deposits that is subject to easy erosion from the wet Pacific Northwest climate and there is a 2000 foot elevation drop within 1 mile, further adding to the erosion. The claim that there are fossilized trees at Mount St Helens is also nonsense. The trees in Spirit Lake has not fossilized because there had been no exchange of silica and since Spirit Lake has no silica, it is very unlikely that any of the trees in the lake will fossilized anytime soon. Mount St Helens had been active for 50,000 years and there are buried trees around the mountain from past eruptions and mudflows(about 17 explosive eruptions in the last 4,000 years), but none of these trees have fossilized either. They have however, served as a useful tool date previous eruptions of the mountain. Finally, I would hold off on filing a mining claim at Spirit Lake for coal. The bottom of the lake is 33 degrees F, which is far to cold for the microbe activity needed to form peat, let alone coal.

Of course Nate, you would know this, if you actually bothered to read the hundreds of USGS publications on Mount St Helens, the hundreds more of the peer reviewed studies published about the mountain, or had merely paid a visit to Johnston Ridge Observatory and talked to one of the Rangers working at the Mount St Helens National Volcanic Monument. So, before you grace us with your opinion, I recommend you get a clue first.

PS -- Sorry about skipping a word in my reference to using buried trees at Mount St Helens to assign dates to previous eruptions. The correct phrase should had been, "They have however, served as a useful tool to date previous eruptions of the mountain." I guess I allowed my anger to get the better of me.

By the way, Prof. Steve-Steve I enjoyed the photos. Thanks to you and others who bravely walked into Ken Ham's Museum of Propaganda, I no longer need to leave my beloved Mount St Helens (I live within 35 miles of the mountain) to make the 2,500 mile drive to Kentucky, just to be preached at.

Thank you Steve-Steve for your bravery.

Sorry about the error in my description of using buried trees at Mount St Helens as a dating tool of previous eruptions. The correct phrase should had been "They have however, served as a useful tool to date previous eruptions of the mountain." I guess I allowed Nate's comment to get the better of me.

By the way, thank you Prof. Steve-Steve for your bravery. Between your photographs and those of others, I no longer need to leave my beloved Mount St Helens area to make the 2,500 mile drive to Ken Hams Hall of Propaganda.

As Art pointed out, modern museum display design is intended to move groups of people through in fairly short amounts of time. Studies have actually been done on how many seconds people will look at a given case, or panel. The leading research on crowd flow control was by theme parks and malls.

When you have four to six elementry school classes (just two or three buses from one schol)in your museum you need them to move through the display area without overlapping, or needing to cross through each other. Adding schools makes this all the more important. Training docents can work in two ways; either try to make "specialists," or provide a sequential presentation they can all learn. The latter is the easiest.

Lovely group photo at the end. Nice to see our kind of folks all together having a good time. But better not let Ann Althouse see Tara standing out front in the middle in 3/4 profile looking pretty durn cute. Tara might get yelled at for possessing some secondary sexual attributes ( see for example http://www.madkane.com/ann-althouse.html).

wow nice panda

wow nice panda

Rather than being able to wander pretty much ad lib, one was pretty much confined to a definite route. It was hard to freelance around in it out of that route. I haven't thought about the organization and implications of that route much --- anyone else?

No worries; I'm sure the route was intelligently designed.

If there truly were post fall panda eating dinosaurs as depicted it would certainly explain the extinction of the recently discovered early pygmy pandas fossil remains in China (1) . These diminutive pandas were at clear disadvantage in their environment, perhaps existing solely as a food source for some species of dinosaur. This would help explain the loss of at least one species of dinosaurs in Ken Ham's timeline. It was the loss of little pandas as a food source that brought the mighty dinosaurs to extinction. Of course now there is a PR nightmare, competition between cute dinosaurs and cuddly pandas, one of which is eating the other.

Delta Pi Gamma (Scientia et Fermentum)

The ridiculousness of this museum has finally pushed me to join American Atheists. They haven't "converted and collected" me!

Here is something else that shows that the flood never happened, Mammoths found frozen in ice with undigested grass still in there guts!