"One science question"
Both RPM and Chad beat me to posting this survey [edited to add: and Janet too! Freakin' quick triggers...], which I've had in my drafts box for a week. So, before absolutely everyone else beats me to it, I thought I'd pose the questions to y'all, and see how you would answer the question, "What is one science question every high school graduate should be able to answer?"
(Continued at Aetiology)
45 Comments
wamba · 26 April 2006
How many quarks can dance on the head of a pin?
dolphin · 26 April 2006
Most people won't know the answers, because now-days ignorance has a much better PR than scientific thinking. Just check "evolution" on Google Video....
Henry J · 26 April 2006
Quarks on the head of a pin? No no, the question is how many quarks in one proton (or neutron). :)
Henry
Peter Henderson · 26 April 2006
Isn't the answer to question (5) 365.25 days...Hence the need for a leap year every 4 years ?
I wonder how many people would say yes to question (3) nowadays ?
Bob C · 26 April 2006
The number of days in a year is more like 365.2422 than 365.25. That's why leap years occasionally don't come every 4 years. 1900 , though divisible by 4, was not a leap year. Nor was 1800 or 1700, though both 1600 and 2000 were. In a 400 year period, there are 97 leap years. (The auxiliary rule, in effect since 1582 or so, is: if a year ends with double zero, leap years are evenly dividable by 400.) Remember that in 2100. Revolting, isn't it?
Jon Voisey · 26 April 2006
That was surprisingly easy. I got every one (including the bonus question).
Peter Henderson · 26 April 2006
I did as well Jon, and I also got the bonus question ! (The education system here must be good).
I wonder how the kids who have been educated using AIG's homeschooling material would have fared though ?
Mr. Peabody · 26 April 2006
It seems to me that a big part of misinformation/misrepresentation by pseudoscientists comes from an important question of semantics as it applies to science:
What does the word "theory" mean as it is used in science (compared to its vernacular usage by the general population).
OK, not really a science question. Still, if more people understand this... (well, I could dream, can't I?).
Mr. Peabody
Flint · 26 April 2006
R. M. · 26 April 2006
Having worked as a scientist for more than 40 years I had problems with the answer to the question why there are 24 hours in a day. The primary fact is that the earth rotates around its axis. Then, there is a convention that the time for one turn (in relation to the sun) is divided into 24 hours, each further divided into minutes and seconds.
Modern metrology has of course changed this around since time measurements nowadays can be made much more precise than when the units of time were introduced.
My own favorite biology question to grade-school kids has to do with animal names:
Those species that live today have simple names like cat and dog and fox. But why did extinct animals like triceratopses and brontosaurs have so strange names?
GvlGeologist, FCD · 26 April 2006
I'd like to point out that the listed answer to question number 3:
"Did dinosaurs and humans ever exist at the same time?"
is wrong, for two reasons. First, the answer is yes, and we call them.....birds. (So the answer to the question "what did dinosaurs taste like?" would in fact be "chicken".) Second, a really picky person (not me, of course) would say that (non-avian) dinosaurs still exist as fossils. A better question (and yes, I do know it's very picky) would have been, "Did non-avian dinosaurs and humans ever live at the same time?"
Second, in response to Flint's comments, yes, the earth is slowing down as a result of tidal friction. By looking at daily growth rings on 400 my old corals, it's possible to determine that there were about 400 days per year at that time (Raup and Stanley, 1971, Principles of Paleontology). Thus, we've lost about 40 days in 400 million years, or 1 day per 10 million years, or approximately .01 second per year. Can we agree, for the purposes of this question, that that's an insignificant amount? Geeze, you're pickier than I am!
Henry J · 26 April 2006
Re "But why did extinct animals like triceratopses and brontosaurs have so strange names?"
Let me guess here - maybe because people never had to actually deal with these creatures during day to day activities?
Henry
heddle · 26 April 2006
The answer (in the original article) to why the sky is blue is incomplete. If your teacher gives you that explanation:
"Solar radiation sunlight is scattered across the atmosphere by a process called diffused sky radiation. The sky is blue because much more short-wave radiation -- blue light -- is scattered across the sky than long-wave radiation -- red light."
Ask him: Then why isn't the sky purple?
to see if he really knows his stuff.
H. Humbert · 26 April 2006
I think the one question all graduates should be able to answer is:
"What is the scientific method, how does it differ from other methods of inquiry, and why has it proved itself such a uniquely successful guide to truth?"
Logicman · 26 April 2006
Ask him: Then why isn't the sky purple?
Heddle,
I'm answering this WITHOUT consulting Google first (so hopefully I'm not too far off) ... but I believe the answer is that our eyes are more sensitive to the "natural" colors in the environment(Red, Green, Blue), cosequently when the shorter wavelengths are scattered we see the blues much easier than the violets. Am I close?
k.e. · 26 April 2006
Gvl
You point out a couple of minor but important issues regarding the words "Live" and "exist". Although I would argue dinosaur fossils are rocks formed from dinosaur remains and the rocks exist as evidence for dinosaurs living and are not dinosaurs themselves.
It seems to me that the IDeologists have a great deal of difficulty actually understanding the true meanings of those words and are prepared to use all sorts of lawry tactics to get the meanings as perceived by the hoi polloi not bamboozled by complexity=magic to suit their daydreams.
dkew · 26 April 2006
I did quite well, except for being off a billion years on the fossil age. But some of the questions and answers are poorly phrased and unhelpful.
4. That shorthand version of natural selection is too incomplete for full credit.
5. A day is defined as the time it takes the earth to spin once around its axis, and its division into 24 hours is a recent cultural invention.
6. "Differential light scattering" is the standard answer, but it's just a buzz phrase unless someone explains what that actually means in terms of how we perceive the sky, and what the alternatives are.
8. Do I get only partial credit? Bacteria and especially viruses use biochemical pathways so similar to their hosts' that it is difficult to find chemical agents or other treatments that preferentially disable the invaders.
10. "Increases the number of molecules on the ground surface"? Culturally we do it because in moderate winter temperatures it melts snow and ice, thereby improving traction for pedestrians and inhibiting lawsuits.
Glen Davidson · 26 April 2006
Glen Davidson · 26 April 2006
Mike Z · 26 April 2006
It seems odd to ask what ONE scientific question should the students be able to answer. Are we looking for a question that is individually very important? Then I think the question should be about nutrition or some other health or lifestyle issue (how about: "Is fire too hot to touch?").
However, if we are looking for an indication of the overall quality of the student's science education, then something like the offered list of questions would be more appropriate.
I like "What are Newton's three laws of motion?" or "How does natural selection work?" If they can answer those, then their science education might be decent.
the pro from dover · 26 April 2006
the problem with question #3 is that many people who are more intersted in biology/paleontology than the average American may answer that question yes because they consider birds to be dinosaurs.
ben · 26 April 2006
One science question every high school graduate should be able to answer? Easy:
What is science and how does it work?
Everything else suggested so far is just trivial detail. What's the most important question one needs to know to show an understanding of baseball? "Who is Babe Ruth?" "How many bases did Ty Cobb steal in 1908?" "How did Barry Bonds add 60 pounds of muscle to a sprinter's physique?"
No, it's "What are the rules of baseball?
Bob Carroll · 26 April 2006
For Flint: my length of the year (365.2422 days) might be accurate to one part in /3652422 or so or or a relative error of about .00000027 ,
or 2.7 parts in 10 million. (2.7x10 to the - 7 power)The earth's decrease in rotational rate is about 1.5 milliseconds in 1oo years or .000015 seconds per year or about 4.7 x 10 to the -13 power, in days. Seems negligible to me. (But, boy, can I be wrong!) And it is true that the moon is receding from the earth a few centimeters a year due to tidal energy transfer, but does this also mean that the earth is receding from the sun? I don't know.
I'd like to address the subject of Rayleigh scattering. My (lack of) understanding is that scattering becomes most significant when the scattering particles are about the same size as the light wavelength. If this were true, light scattered from atmospheric molecules would peak in the far ultraviolet (a few nanometers). Part of the reason we don't see this is the limitation in our visual perceptions, but instruments could detect it. I suspect that this simply does not occur.
My guess (not original, but I haven't found any references on this) is that it is the variation in density of the air in the upper atmosphere that is causing the scattering. Random molecular motion produces regions of fluctuating density on a very short time scale which (as far as I know) produce density pockets of about 400 nm, maximizing scattering in the blue region of the spectrum, much like the Schlerein patterns seen near radiators in our homes.
I am definitely interested in finding out if I am off base, here. And, we definitely should insist that our high school graduates have a clear understanding of these concepts :)
Glen Davidson · 26 April 2006
By all accounts that I have seen, density variations are not important in Rayleigh scattering. The equations are found at Wikipedia here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rayleigh_scattering
As they write there, the coefficient for Rayleigh's equation "is the number of particles per unit volume N times the cross-section".
They mentioned something else that I suspected, but didn't post previously because I had no source to back up my suspicions: One reason that we see blue is that the sun puts out more "blue photons" than violet ones. And yes, the longer wavelengths of light are significantly scattered as well (you know that at sunset that some of the red has been scattered out of the sun's rays, since even red becomes fairly feeble then, even when striking a surface directly).
I remembered after posting previously that the period of rotation of the earth on its axis is called the "sidereal day", which is shorter than the 24 hour "solar day". It doesn't come up in my life very often.
Glen D
http://tinyurl.com/b8ykm
'Rev Dr' Lenny Flank · 26 April 2006
heddle · 26 April 2006
Logicman,
you are spot-on, the convolution with our eye-sensitivity is critical.
Torbjörn Larsson · 26 April 2006
If I understand the discussion correctly, the answer to how many quarks can dance on the head of a pin is 365.2422 days?
Torbjörn Larsson · 26 April 2006
Oww, I was unfair and not funny! Sorry, getting tired.
Fernando Magyar · 26 April 2006
re: Comment #98810 What is the scientific method and how is it applied?
AMEN! Nothing else is as important as the answer to this one question.
Nobody should be allowed to graduate from High School with out a full understanding of the implications of the answer to that question.
Henry J · 26 April 2006
The answer is 42.
Jon Voisey · 26 April 2006
Ask him: Then why isn't the sky purple?
I'm not positive on this, but I think the reason is two part:
1. The human eye is very poor at seeing purples.
2. Just as our ozone (thankfully) blocks UV light, I suspect it might also block a good deal of the higher energy part of the visible specturm.
Amd I thinking along the right lines here?
I remembered after posting previously that the period of rotation of the earth on its axis is called the "sidereal day", which is shorter than the 24 hour "solar day". It doesn't come up in my life very often.It's actually the other way around. The solar day is a few minutes shorter and is the one we actually measure for clocks. The sidereal day is with respect to distant stars and defines a full sidereal day as consecutive passings of a given star across the meridian.
Glen Davidson · 26 April 2006
For Voisey:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sidereal_day
Glen D
http://tinyurl.com/b8ykm
Peter Henderson · 27 April 2006
Sorry this is off topic , but some people in the UK may never have heard Ken Ham speak. Tune into Sky Digital 765 at the moment and you will see Ham in full swing and what you are up against. He's going on about the UK Mega-Conference ( there are a couple of clips of it in the programme), how evolution is a theory in crisis, and why the answer to question (3) is demonstrably wrong. Since I predicted that Ham would pop up here last week I think I'll do the lottery this weekend !
Re. The length of a year. I have completed a couple of astronomy courses with the OU and for all intensive purposes they round up the length of a year up to 365.25 days. Just like a day isn't 24 hours (I think it's around 23 hours 56 minutes at the moment !)
mplavcan · 27 April 2006
As I recall, according to "Mr. Science" the sky is blue because it reflects the ocean. (Corollary: the ocean is blue because it reflects the sky.)
Laser · 27 April 2006
Logicman and Heddle:
You're missing another important point: the solar output in the purple region (~400nm) of the visible spectrum is much lower than its output in the green region (~520 nm).
http://www.vicphysics.org/documents/events/stav2005/spectrum.JPG
Part of the reason the sky isn't purple is that there isn't much purple light coming from the sun. Maybe that why our eyes evolved with poor sensitivity in that region of the visible spectrum?
Voisey:
No, ozone doesn't absorb visible light. (A sample of ozone looks colorless.) http://people.ccmr.cornell.edu/~plh2/group/o3basics/slide2.html
Flint · 27 April 2006
GvlGeologist, FCD · 27 April 2006
GvlGeologist, FCD · 27 April 2006
Oops. Sorry, Bob, that should be Carroll.
Michael Hopkins · 27 April 2006
BWE · 27 April 2006
The one question?
Can you explain thoroughly and completely why einstein needed tensors to describe the theory of relativity?
The other one?
Why did the chicken cross the road?
Henry J · 27 April 2006
GvlGeologist, FCD,
Re "If it is correct, it implies that the rate of slowing is decellerating. Is this correct?"
I'd expect that the furthur away the moon is, the less force its gravity would have on Earth, so that would make sense.
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BWE,
Re "Why did the chicken cross the road?"
To get away from Col. Sanders.
Henry
JoeB · 28 April 2006
The rainbow answer, "Sunlight, which contains all colors, is refracted, or bent, off the droplets at different angles...", is really poor. A ray of sunlight partially refracts INTO a droplet ( some reflects off), violet wavelengths bending more than red ones. These rays then reflect from the back of the droplet (total internal reflection) and once again hit the water-air boundary, where there is again partial refraction out of the droplet, forming the primary rainbow, and partial reflection inside the droplet. The continued trek of the latter ray gives rise to another partial internal reflection and a refraction out of the drop, which creates the secondary rainbow, with the colors reversed.
Many years ago, in the Scientific American Amateur Scientist section, it was shown how one might generate the third order and fourth order rainbows in a laboratory. Certainly no-one has ever seen these in the real world, since they are seen back toward the light source.
By the way, a pet peeve of this color-blind ex-physics teacher is the use of purple as a synonym for violet. There can be no purple in the solar spectrum. I must also say that none of my students over 25 years ever saw indigo, between violet and blue.
'Rev Dr' Lenny Flank · 28 April 2006
Bob Carroll · 28 April 2006
For Greg Mead: it took me a while to find the references to the earth's slowing rate of rotation. My desk requires the attention of a palaeontologist. But here goes: 1.5 milliseconds per century can be found at:
http://image.gsfc.nasa.gov/poetry/ask/q396.html
Interestingly, at another NASA site, the figure is 2.3 ms per century:
http://sunearth.gsfc.nasa.gov/eclipse/SEhelp/rotation.html
Bob Carroll · 29 April 2006
Oops: my figure of 1.5 ms per hundred years is for the change in length of the day, not the year. Foiled by units!