Kitzcarnival

Posted 21 December 2005 by Mike Dunford

↗ The current version of this post is on the live site: https://pandasthumb.org/archives/2005/12/kitzcarnival.html

A one-shot blog carnival of material related to Judge Jones' decision in the Kitzmiller v. Dover lawsuit is now available at The Questionable Authority. If there are links that aren't there that you think should be, feel free to leave them in the comments over there.

9 Comments

santi · 21 December 2005

Is it just me, or are conservative websites ignoring this court decision? I notice that "Drudge Report" says nothing about it. And I notice that the Weekly Standard web site makes no comment. You would think the issue would be of high interest to its readers. And obviously there is no point in trying to protect their readers from the issue (which they will see in other traditional outlets). Is this just part of the political game--never make a big deal of your defeats?

Russell · 21 December 2005

I, too, am hoping that people that monitor the ID-friendly news and 'net outlets will post here any and all attempts to explain, minimize, criticize, whine about, or otherwise spin the Dover decision.

Mike · 21 December 2005

Interesting post on Top 10 problems with the Kitzmiller decision:

http://www.evolutionnews.org/2005/12/judge_jones_hopeless_monster.html

Dover Judge Regurgitates Mythological History of Intelligent Design

http://www.evolutionnews.org/2005/12/post_6.html

And this is the most troubling. The argument that the 14th amendment does not apply, which is the opinion of Justice Scalia and Justice Thomas (see the Newdow opinion for example). If the 14 amendment does not apply to Establishement, then ID is in. This is the serious threat!

http://www.phxnews.com/fullstory.php?article=29737

Mike · 21 December 2005

An pre-ruling piece on the 14th issue:

http://www.michnews.com/artman/publish/article_10840.shtml

B. Spitzer · 21 December 2005

If the 14 amendment does not apply to Establishement, then ID is in. This is the serious threat! http://www.phxnews.com/fullstory.php?article=297...

I'm not a lawyer or a constitutional scholar, but it seems to me that the 14th Amendment doesn't matter to this case. Judge Jones clearly states in his decision that the DASB's policy violated the constitution of the State of Pennsylvania as well as the U.S. Constitution (pp. 134-136 of his opinion). The states'-rights people who are excoriating Jones for imposing federal control over a state-level issue haven't read his opinion very carefully.

Bill Gascoyne · 21 December 2005

Thanks so much for this collection of links. I found a fabulous line from the decision, which should be imortalized here on PT:

Moreover, ID's backers have sought to avoid scientific scrutiny which we have now determined that it cannot withstand by advocating that the controversy, but not ID itself, should be taught in science class. This tactic is at best disingenuous, and at worst a canard.Link here
— Judge Jones (quoted by the York Daily Record)

Wow!

Mike · 21 December 2005

DASB's policy violated the constitution of the State of Pennsylvania
— B. Spitzer

If you live in PA then the state constitution would bar ID, per Jones' argument. As a Tennessean and most other states, this would not be the case.

Bayesian Bouffant, FCD · 21 December 2005

From the York Daily Record

In an amicus brief filed after the trial, Discovery asked Jones to rule on the school board's motivations and not whether intelligent design was science. In prepared statement, West expressed his frustration that Jones didn't listen...

Oh he listened alright. West just has to understand that sometimes the answer is "No."

'Rev Dr' Lenny Flank · 21 December 2005

Moreover, ID's backers have sought to avoid scientific scrutiny which we have now determined that it cannot withstand by advocating that the controversy, but not ID itself, should be taught in science class. This tactic is at best disingenuous, and at worst a canard.

The Kansas Kooks had better read this. Twice.