Source: Link Seems that Bill understands that ID never really was science... Or in the words of DeForrest Kelley (Dr McCoy) [PvM:You may have to cut and paste the link since the site does not allow direct linking.] 1. He's Dead Jim 2. He's Dead Jim 3. He's Dead Jim 4. He's Dead Jim"ID is rapidly going international and crossing metaphysical and theological boundaries," Dembski wrote. "The important thing is ID's intellectual vitality."
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Norman Doering · 23 December 2005
Pete Dunkelberg · 23 December 2005
"He's dead Jim". Do those links really work for everyone but me? This post has been up for two or three hours and no one has mentioned anything about strange links. I get switched to amazon.com.
Pepeloco · 23 December 2005
The links don't work because wavsource.com doesn't allow hotlinking.
Try here then scroll down almost to the bottom of the page for the four "He's dead, Jim" files.
Pete Dunkelberg · 23 December 2005
Pepeloco, thanks!
m. child · 24 December 2005
can I take exception to Dembski's "going international" claim about ID? hey, I live outside the US and work in several different countries (and continents). EVERY conversation I have with anyone about this topic, no matter where, indicates that the world views creationism (including its modern variant, ID), as a uniquely American experience driven by fundamentalist groups and the fragmented organization of US schools. here in Europe, as in most countries, school curricula is set at the national level, rather than regions or municipalities. in other words, the US system provides more opportunities for crackpot theories to make headway into the schools. rather, what can be seen is a sort of missionary attempt by American fundamentalists to export their ideas to other countries. can't say I can think of a single instance in which they have had any success. unless you define "success" as having the lonely few outside the US who previously labeled themselves as creationists now calling themselves instead "intelligent design advocates". sounds like the same word game that was exposed at the Dover trial regarding the early and later drafts of the Pandas text.
anyway, ID may be lots of things, but "international" it sure ain't.
b49777 · 24 December 2005
"... and crossing metaphysical ... boundaries ..."
Perhaps some have taken metaphysical to mean too much. A teacher in CA attempting to teach ID as part of a 'philosophy' class listed as a guest speaker none other than Francis Crick. Talk about crossing boundaries. No I'm not kidding - sad.
As reported in the Bakersfield Californian:
The El Tejon Unified School District board was presented with a syllabus for the class earlier this month showing a list of speakers that included two evolutionists ..."
But it turns out neither of the speakers listed as pro-evolution will be able to make it ..."
One of the evolution speakers, geologist and school volunteer Ken Hurst, said he won't speak because he doesn't have time and he disagrees with the nature of the class.
The other -- Nobel Prize winner Francis Crick -- died in 2004
guthrie · 24 December 2005
Talking about ID going international, when our local paper ran some articles critiscising ID, creationists crawled out the woodwork. Basically amongst the fundies here in Scotland there is an unfulfilled demand for something to beat up sciecne with, and ID is what they are after, even though in their letters, they showed little knowledge of what it was about. So, ID has a huge international audience, or potential client base, whatever way you want to put it, but I have seen no signs of it morphing into a powerful attack on evolutionary biology here in the uK. I'd love to see them try.
sir_toejam · 27 December 2005
billy boy's shutting down Uncommon Descent.
seems it's a waste of his time.
must be all the time he spends deleting every substantive post.
oh well.
I think he wants to cut his ties to all of his current paper trails, so he won't get booted from trial lists any more. He's said some pretty stupid stuff on UD.