The Utah lawmaker who was kicking around the idea that Utah's schools should teach the theory of "divine" or "intelligent" design alongside biological evolution is abandoning the effort.Sen. Chris Buttars, R-West Jordan, said Thursday that after talks with the state Superintendent of Public Instruction Patti Harrington, he is comfortable -- at least for now -- with what Utah classrooms are teaching.
"She assured me in a phone call and then followed up with a letter, that we should not be teaching human evolution of any kind," Buttars said Thursday.
The state's core science curricula doesn't teach the evolution of the human species as a scientific fact, Harrington said. It does, however, emphasize that biological diversity is a result of millions of years of evolution.
"Science is a way of knowing and a knowing based up on evidence," Harrington said by telephone from Cedar City Thursday. "There is not evidence yet to claim how the Earth was created and no evidence to connect the family of apes with the family of man."
Yikes. The Superintendant of Public Instruction in Utah doesn't understand the difference between a family and a genus, and thinks that there is no evidence to connect humans and apes. I suppose this might be true if one ignores the incredible genetic similarities, the shared retroviral sequences in our DNA, the well known series of paleo-species that appear in just the right temporal and anatomical sequence showing a gradual increase in brain size, bipedal adaptation, technological sophistication and cultural development leading from the late Miocene primates to modern Homo sapiens. It's one thing to say that one doesn't find such evidence compelling; to claim it doesn't exist is sheer lunacy; and to come up with an explanation for it other than evolution appears to be fantasy. My favorite quote from Buttars:
"It's not fact," Buttars said. "It's a theory. You know, the trouble with the missing link, is that it's still missing."
As a basic rule, anytime you find someone speaking about the "missing link" or using the "it's not a fact it's a theory" argument, you're dealing with someone whose understanding of evolution stopped at about the 5th grade level. Is it really too much to ask that those who want to change science education be at least minimally educated in science?
22 Comments
Unsympathetic reader · 15 July 2005
I don't think the superintendent had taxonomic classification in mind when he used the term "family". But the rest of that sentence *is* troubling.
Flint · 15 July 2005
Apesnake · 15 July 2005
Douglas Theobald · 15 July 2005
ts · 15 July 2005
> I don't think the superintendent had taxonomic classification in mind when he used the term "family".
He?
Flint · 15 July 2005
tytlal · 15 July 2005
"It seems that Buttars has now dropped his plan because he found out that Utah public schools don't teach human evolution anyway"
Wait a minute, I didn't read the link but . . . Buttars does not want to promote Divine Design because evolution is NOT being taught? The Creat, er, DD/ID people only want to teach DD/ID if evolution is being taught? What does this say about their motives, as if there was ever a question?
This is the 21st century, right? Whew. For a moment I thought I was reliving a terrible dream I had last night where witches were burned, lightening bolts were cast down by "God", the Sun circled the Earth and humans were unrelated to life on Earth.
VKW · 15 July 2005
"It's not fact," Buttars said. "It's a theory. You know, the trouble with the missing link, is that it's still missing."
I do believe I've found the missing link! He was in Utah all along!
ts · 16 July 2005
> Oops, looks like a clear case of gender-linked biological incompetence.
You know the gender of "Unsympathetic reader"?
> Maybe Summers was right.
It's not likely.
SEF · 16 July 2005
Dan S. · 16 July 2005
"This is the 21st century, right? "
In name only. Otherwise it's obvious the 19thC just got reused to cut costs . . .
"Is it really too much to ask that those who want to change science education be at least minimally educated in science? "
It's not a bug, it's a feature! For the creationists, at least . . .
The brilliant bit (for a certain definition of brilliant) is the more successful these folks are, the (even) fewer people will have any clue what we're talking about or why Harrington's arguments are flawed . .
Frank J · 16 July 2005
Frank J · 16 July 2005
Oops, Chris Buttars is the male senator and Patti Harrington is the female superintendant. That makes 2 that are utterly confused, if not in on the scam.
harold · 16 July 2005
This is a very important discovery.
The original battle in Kansas, in 1999, was over a creationist plan to merely stop teaching evolution, without teaching anything in its place. If we can't teach creationism, the kids don't get any real biology at all.
This strategy was chosen for legal reasons. The idea was, they can stop us from teaching creationism, but they can't stop us from NOT teaching evolution.
I've been guilty of saying that this was "probably legal" in earlier posts. In fact, I think it's clear cut religious discrimination. A major part of science education, which could well be expected or assumed by universities, is cut for all students of all religions, for the supposed benefit of one single religious subset of students only.
It's no surprise an anti-science legislator would be sastisfied that nothing is being taught. Ignorance is their goal.
What happened in Kansas was that those particular school board members were defeated in the next election, at the Repbublican primaries (they have primaries for school board elections in Kansas, it seems).
The result of THAT was that 6 years later creationists tried again. But whatever the short term outcome in Kansas, their second try has severely injured "intelligent design", probably fatally.
The response to this news is to get moving on efforts to get contemporary biology IN to the Utah curriculum.
Frank J · 16 July 2005
'Rev Dr' Lenny Flank · 17 July 2005
Frank J · 17 July 2005
'Rev Dr' Lenny Flank · 17 July 2005
SEF · 17 July 2005
To haul them into court you need evidence. Which may require bugging of classrooms ... (at least for those ones who don't voluntarily/accidentally testify to the crime when writing blogs, books or official documents or appearing as a witness somewhere else!).
'Rev Dr' Lenny Flank · 19 July 2005
SEF · 19 July 2005
I thought we weren't talking about school boards making officially documented policies at this point (cf my reference to documents) but of individual teachers sabotaging the education curriculum by ignoring parts of it and/or telling lies to children about evolution (or any other science) and how they as ID/creationist christians personally can't see/recognise any evidence for it (without that emphasis on their bias and lack of relevant education of course!). You yourself said it was about schools (which has to mean teachers too) dropping evolution like a hot potato anyway regardless of the law.
'Rev Dr' Lenny Flank · 19 July 2005
Same thing. School board, teacher --- makes no difference. No public official is entitled to drop part of the curruculum in deference to religious opinions. Theirs or anyone else's.
There is already Federal case law specifically regarding teachers to that effect (Webster v New Lennox).
So if individual teachers are sabotaging the curriculum, the legal remedy for that is already there. We just need to get off our collective butts and use it. Haul the teacher's ass into court and sue the crap out of him/her. And the school board, too, if they knew about it.